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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rackhir" data-source="post: 397879" data-attributes="member: 149">A +2 to will save represents something on the order of a 50% to 25% increase in the will save for a typical fighter type at even fairly high level. So that's not exactly something that is going to be "rarely noticed".Well, with zen archery and the imp wpn spec/focus, that could be another +2 to +4 to hit and +2 to damage per arrow over what the AA would have. Not insignificant bonuses and remember if you don't hit you don't do any damage. These bonuses could easily make the difference between hitting or not with your last iterative attack.For a class with lower HD, Elf Con penalties and several levels of mage d4 HD. Taking an AoO from a medium/high level monster is not really a great idea. A single AoO from a giant nearly cut the AA in half, in my previous campaign (did about half her HP). A OoBI with a better HD and an average of at least +1 HP/per HD is in much better position to take damage.Seeker arrow and phase arrow frankly seem to be of dubious usefulness and at best infrequent use to me. Certainly no better than banked shot. Hail of Arrows is the one truly sweet ability that the AA gets, but it can be duplicated by an epic level feat and by the time you are getting Hail of Arrows, you are nearly at Epic levels anyway (depending on exactly how many mage levels you took). Banked shot and the sneak attack are yes generaly infrequently useful, but don't forget that they can be devastating under the right circumstances and with the proper magic items/spells (ring of blink or imp invis spell) can easily set up situations where you can be getting the sneak attack damage all the time.To each their own I guess. Except....Ugh! Mountan Dew at room temerature? I think this needs a thread of it's own to debate how horrible that is.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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