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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mkletch" data-source="post: 399612" data-attributes="member: 3396">Magic item pricingHaste - 3rd level spellMinimum caster level - 5thContinuous function - 2000gpMultiply the factors: you can make an item to fill any slot (except armor or weapon) that gives you continual haste for only 30kgp.  Check page 242 in the DMG.  It's all there.  Reverse engineering the bonus, well, I already did that.  sqrt(6)=2.449.  It was rounded up because it is powerful.Since you need to have at least a +1 bonus on the armor, you are going from +1 to +4 on the pricing scale, and at a minimum, speed armor costs you 15kgp.  You do get a break on the cost there, unless you add other abilities and the price goes up and up (+4 to +7 actually hits the target, but who wouldn't pick this up early).Look, I'm not saying that this is not really powerful, but perhaps it is haste that is broken, or at too low a level.  Do all of the math backwards.  What spell level would haste have to be if it were a +6 or +7 bonus?  10th level for a +6 bonus (exact; no rounding), or 12th for a +7 bonus (actually 11.58).  I assumed here that min caster level was double the spell level minus 1; we are talking about the base spell here, no a metamagicked lower level spell like you could have above 9th using the Epic rules.  So haste should above 9th level, an epic spell.  It's up to you, remove haste form the game (if you won't recant on the +6/+7 bonus rediculousness) or deal with it (and speed armor) as they are in the rules.95%+ of the items actually folllow the system; examples are actually given in T&B.  There are some ad hoc adjustments, but not on the scale you give here.  Heck, a speed weapon should only be a +2 bonus, and that's if it has the same effect as speed armor (but caster level 5 instead of 7).  If it is only for an attack with the weapon, as speed is now, then it should be a +1; sqrt(3) rounded down instead of up.  Why a speed weapon has caster level 7 is beyond me.I was accused earlier in this thread of arbitrarily mucking around with the rules.  That is exactly what you have here.  QoE that does GMW on every arrow drawn.  Hey it's only a 3rd level spell, everybody has access to it all the time.  Well, I have access to a 3rd level spell all the time, and now, hey, that's way over-powered.Tangent: do you lose a haste bonus to AC if flat-footed?  We ruled that you do in house, but I've seen no ruling on it in either the errata or the DnD FAQ.-Fletch</blockquote>

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