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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mkletch" data-source="post: 399799" data-attributes="member: 3396">Re: Re: Magic item pricingPer the description of true strike, it would not make any sense.  A command word version (or spell trigger, like the true-striking bow in S&F) would be fine, since it burns an action.  If you want a continuous +20 insight bonus (and I feel insight would be similar to luck in terms of cost) the cost would be bonus squared x 2500gp.  Even if it only the same as an enhancement, in terms of cost (2000gp), it is still 800kgp.  Remember, bonuses are calculated differently than other effects.  The same could be said to apply to the haste bonus on speed armor, but you did round up a lot to get to the +3 bonus.[/b]</blockquote>Good argument, and I agree at a philospohical level.  When it gets to actual implementation, I disagree.  Sure, a ring of invisibility is clearly marked up by almost 100%, but an upgrade in the cost for speed armor would not be a doubling of the bonus.  You are dealing with squares and roots here, so the numbers behave differently.  Figuring that the enhancement bonus was sqrt(6), you would multiply that by sqrt(2) if you had doubled the base price.  You only wind up with 3.46, round up to 4.  I would easily accept an erratum changing speed armor to a +4 equivalent, but it has not come out yet, and I don't "muck with the rules".Or the DM gives it to the opponents as well, and +1 speed armor is less expensive than +5 armor which it duplicates, so we get less loot, and more opposing actions.  The balance is there if both side have equal access to the good stuff.Speed is so weak on a weapon as to be almost useless.  For that high of a bonus, it is cheaper to get a duplicate of your weapon and give it dancing than to use the speed ability.  Speed on a weapon should have a better effect for the cost, like giving you a full attack as a standard action, or full haste effect.  Even the latter, with doubled cost like we did for the armor above, would only be a +3 bonus.  100,000gp is 1/6th the gear of a 19th level character.  I hardly consider that a bargain.  And that was one that made every arrow drawn (use activated) a +5 arrow.I don't disagree with the GMW or totally ineffective part.  However, speed armor gives a nominal increase to AC (it only gives a +1 net increase over taking the +3 bonus) and a partial action, which is not even half as useful as a full action, since it cannot be combined with anything to make a 'cool' action.  It serves the same purpose as any other general purpose item (e.g. a belt of strength or a cloak of resistance), and that is to increase the effectiveness and/or survivability of the character.  Is a belt of strength a despicable item since it serves no lofty or profound purpose?  Boots of speed are apparently OK (it does not use a doubling of cost; it is actually lower in cost than I would anticipate), so I do not understand the opposition.[/QUOTE]

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