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<blockquote data-quote="Taren Seeker" data-source="post: 400219" data-attributes="member: 615">mkletch...Stop tryng to obfuscate the central issue here. It doesn't matter whether you've played Standing Stone or the Banewarrens.You state that Speed armor is priced appropriately. The relative power of your opponents is irrelevant to your claim. What is appropriate is the power and costs of similar items.To support your claim you give the square root formula combined with a use activated cost (30k) to justify a +2 price tag. The point that people have been trying to make to you is that certain spells and abilities in certain items are priced higher because they are more valuable.Look at the boots of Speed. For 1 minute of haste per day, the boots cost 10k. Plus, they must be activated, which further limts the power of the item.You're claiming that a suit of armor that provides haste for 1440 minutes and is always on is worth only 3 times what the boots are?You also say that the true strike example should be priced differently because it's a +20 bonus to attack, not just a 1st level spell.Haste provides a +4 bonus to AC which stacks with and is superior to a standard enhancement bonus, yet you contend that it is an appropriate cost based on the spell level? Notice that I am not even using the + partial action. Do you see the contradiction?Even the creator of said armor enhancement stated that he was most likely on crack when he priced it, and that +7 may be more appropriate. People are not just pulling the +7 out of thin air.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Taren Seeker, post: 400219, member: 615"] [b]mkletch...[/b] Stop tryng to obfuscate the central issue here. It doesn't matter whether you've played Standing Stone or the Banewarrens. You state that Speed armor is [b]priced appropriately[/b]. The relative power of your opponents is irrelevant to your claim. What is appropriate is the power and costs of similar items. To support your claim you give the square root formula combined with a use activated cost (30k) to justify a +2 price tag. The point that people have been trying to make to you is that certain spells and abilities in certain items are priced higher because they are more valuable. Look at the boots of Speed. For 1 minute of haste per day, the boots cost 10k. Plus, they must be activated, which further limts the power of the item. You're claiming that a suit of armor that provides haste for 1440 minutes and is always on is worth only 3 times what the boots are? You also say that the true strike example should be priced differently because it's a +20 bonus to attack, not just a 1st level spell. Haste provides a +4 bonus to AC which stacks with and is superior to a standard enhancement bonus, yet you contend that it is an appropriate cost based on the spell level? Notice that I am not even using the + partial action. Do you see the contradiction? Even the creator of said armor enhancement stated that he was most likely on crack when he priced it, and that +7 may be more appropriate. People are not just pulling the +7 out of thin air. [/QUOTE]

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