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<blockquote data-quote="strongbow" data-source="post: 1043333" data-attributes="member: 2650">3: How does Jozan the Shaman rebuke/command animals with no cleric levels?A: That is an example, the word 'as' should be the identifier for that sentence. Since most people are not familiar with a shaman, making a reference to a cleric wether good or evil gives those reading the text an idea as to what really happens.What are you trying to say here?&nbsp; I'm talking about the Shaman class from Oriental adventures.&nbsp; The shaman has two domains, can cast healing spells spontaneously, is resticted against castings spells against his alignment, etc. just like a cleric.&nbsp; One of the domains, the Nature Domain, says that he can Rebuke/Command animals and plant creatures like a cleric.&nbsp; How do you determine at what level a shaman can rebuke?&nbsp; I'm not trying to be misleading; I'm asking a legitimate question here.The easy answer is to say that you should use his shaman level, but here is the catch. Shamans have delayed turning capabilities, like paladins (Two levels lower).&nbsp; It seems silly to include domains referencing classes that ostensibly don't exist in Oriental Adventures.&nbsp; If the book said like a shaman it would be clear how things work, but it doesn't. Call it designer/editing lazyness or whatever, but the rules lawyers of my group want an official answer.&nbsp; All of the opinions listed are welcome by the way.&nbsp; Y'all make some good points.&nbsp; I wish some of my gaming friends would step up and post all their questions, :sigh:&nbsp; Keep the discussion rolling.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="strongbow, post: 1043333, member: 2650"] 3: How does Jozan the Shaman rebuke/command animals with no cleric levels? A: That is an example, the word 'as' should be the identifier for that sentence. Since most people are not familiar with a shaman, making a reference to a cleric wether good or evil gives those reading the text an idea as to what really happens. What are you trying to say here? I'm talking about the Shaman class from Oriental adventures. The shaman has two domains, can cast healing spells spontaneously, is resticted against castings spells against his alignment, etc. just like a cleric. One of the domains, the Nature Domain, says that he can Rebuke/Command animals and plant creatures like a cleric. How do you determine at what level a shaman can rebuke? I'm not trying to be misleading; I'm asking a legitimate question here. The easy answer is to say that you should use his shaman level, but here is the catch. Shamans have delayed turning capabilities, like paladins (Two levels lower). It seems silly to include domains referencing classes that ostensibly don't exist in Oriental Adventures. If the book said like a shaman it would be clear how things work, but it doesn't. Call it designer/editing lazyness or whatever, but the rules lawyers of my group want an official answer. All of the opinions listed are welcome by the way. Y'all make some good points. I wish some of my gaming friends would step up and post all their questions, :sigh: Keep the discussion rolling. [/QUOTE]

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