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<blockquote data-quote="strongbow" data-source="post: 1047588" data-attributes="member: 2650">I see your point Camarath.. It does indeed say &quot;as a cleric turns undead&quot; instead of &quot;as a cleric of your cleric level&quot; or &quot;equal to your cleric level&quot; or &quot;per cleric level you possess&quot; etc.&nbsp; There is a distinction that some domains don't explicitly state cleric level, so there is some ambiguity as to what level the power should function as.Mourn, Camarath is correct about Contemplative.&nbsp; If you are going to be strict about enforcing actual cleric levels, then a Wizard/Contemplative could use his turn/rebuke ability, but it would function as if he were level 0.&nbsp; Since the turning chart can go as far as +4 above your actual level of turning, the wizard/contemplative could do it, but would be very ineffective.I don't think you can draw a line and say that our Wiz/Con would turn as a first level cleric, since he has no cleric level.&nbsp; He should either turn as a 0 level cleric, or as a cleric=to his character level.I believe my point remains about the Shaman/Nature Domain.&nbsp; Since I believe it is not the designer's intent to have a Shaman with a useless domain power, then the Shaman should either turn equal to his Shaman level or his character level.&nbsp; I'm&nbsp; going to re-read the OA errata and then e-mail James Wyatt.&nbsp; I hate to bug game designers, but we have reached more or less an impasse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="strongbow, post: 1047588, member: 2650"] I see your point Camarath. . It does indeed say "as a cleric turns undead" instead of "as a cleric of your cleric level" or "equal to your cleric level" or "per cleric level you possess" etc. There is a distinction that some domains don't explicitly state cleric level, so there is some ambiguity as to what level the power should function as. Mourn, Camarath is correct about Contemplative. If you are going to be strict about enforcing actual cleric levels, then a Wizard/Contemplative [I]could[/I] use his turn/rebuke ability, but it would function as if he were level 0. Since the turning chart can go as far as +4 above your actual level of turning, the wizard/contemplative could do it, but would be very ineffective. I don't think you can draw a line and say that our Wiz/Con would turn as a first level cleric, since he has no cleric level. He should either turn as a 0 level cleric, or as a cleric=to his character level. I believe my point remains about the Shaman/Nature Domain. Since I believe it is not the designer's intent to have a Shaman with a useless domain power, then the Shaman should either turn equal to his Shaman level or his character level. I'm going to re-read the OA errata and then e-mail James Wyatt. I hate to bug game designers, but we have reached more or less an impasse. [/QUOTE]

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