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<blockquote data-quote="GnomeWorks" data-source="post: 2844372" data-attributes="member: 162"><p>Wow, those are some outrageous prerequisites. You have to be 10th level to take this PrC, unless I'm missing something, and you have a special requirement which no character has done to date, that I'm aware of.</p><p></p><p>I'm not so certain about the Knowledge (Nature) requirement. Perhaps (The Planes) would be more appropriate?</p><p></p><p>Also, given that the class is heavily focused on bardic music, saying that that is a required ability would not be that outrageous.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The last sentence here is confusing. What do you mean, exactly?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll admit that I'm not a fan of classes with their own spellcasting progression. I think that you should essentially require a member of this class to have taken a level of bard, by requiring that they have the bardic music ability, and then give this class a +1 spellcasting progression off of their bard level, using the Seeker list henceforth.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How do you gain access to these? When you indicate "Song of the Elements Part I" on the table, do you mean that the Seeker gains access to one of the following songs? This needs to be clarified.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I really think that you need to spell out the majority of what this song does, and then mention that other effects may also be affected under the DM's discretion.</p><p></p><p>Also, I think that the mechanic you have there is awkward. It should be something like "they are allowed a new saving throw, but may choose to use the Seeker's Perform check instead."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's neat. I have no issue with this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, that's neat, and I have no issue with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At first glance, this seems absurd, but then a wizard can teleport at 9th, so being able to do this at 11th at earliest via the Seeker is not that bad. I'm fine with this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you saying that the damage the song absorbs "recharges" every round? So if you have somebody with 20 ranks in Perform, each round this song is working, it prevents 20 points of damage?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's nifty, and I have no issue with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Turning undead... it really shouldn't be at a level equal to his ranks in Perform, because that means that he'll turn better than a cleric his level.</p><p></p><p>Treating Seeker levels as cleric levels would be a bit better, I think, for purposes of turning undead. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nifty, and I think you meant "...2d6 per Seeker level..."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see what you're trying to do, but it should be worded differently. "The saving throw DC for this effect is equal to the Seeker's ranks in Perform" would be much better.</p><p></p><p>Also, I think this ability affects far too many people. Affect 30 creatures at 10th level... when your Perform bonus is going to be absurd. It does seem a little overpowered.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm, this sounds alright. Again with the wording of the line about the saving throw, but other than that, looks fine to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's nifty, and I don't see a problem with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is awesome for a bard or bard-like character. I have no issue with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, a nifty thing for a bard to be able to do, and again, I have no issue with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no issue with this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, nifty ability, and again, no issues here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So this basically lets you do all five at once, right? In that case, I'm fine with it. It's not that outrageous of an ability at 10th, given that a character isn't capable of getting this until 20th character level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GnomeWorks, post: 2844372, member: 162"] Wow, those are some outrageous prerequisites. You have to be 10th level to take this PrC, unless I'm missing something, and you have a special requirement which no character has done to date, that I'm aware of. I'm not so certain about the Knowledge (Nature) requirement. Perhaps (The Planes) would be more appropriate? Also, given that the class is heavily focused on bardic music, saying that that is a required ability would not be that outrageous. The last sentence here is confusing. What do you mean, exactly? I'll admit that I'm not a fan of classes with their own spellcasting progression. I think that you should essentially require a member of this class to have taken a level of bard, by requiring that they have the bardic music ability, and then give this class a +1 spellcasting progression off of their bard level, using the Seeker list henceforth. How do you gain access to these? When you indicate "Song of the Elements Part I" on the table, do you mean that the Seeker gains access to one of the following songs? This needs to be clarified. I really think that you need to spell out the majority of what this song does, and then mention that other effects may also be affected under the DM's discretion. Also, I think that the mechanic you have there is awkward. It should be something like "they are allowed a new saving throw, but may choose to use the Seeker's Perform check instead." That's neat. I have no issue with this. Again, that's neat, and I have no issue with it. At first glance, this seems absurd, but then a wizard can teleport at 9th, so being able to do this at 11th at earliest via the Seeker is not that bad. I'm fine with this. Are you saying that the damage the song absorbs "recharges" every round? So if you have somebody with 20 ranks in Perform, each round this song is working, it prevents 20 points of damage? That's nifty, and I have no issue with it. Turning undead... it really shouldn't be at a level equal to his ranks in Perform, because that means that he'll turn better than a cleric his level. Treating Seeker levels as cleric levels would be a bit better, I think, for purposes of turning undead. Nifty, and I think you meant "...2d6 per Seeker level..." I see what you're trying to do, but it should be worded differently. "The saving throw DC for this effect is equal to the Seeker's ranks in Perform" would be much better. Also, I think this ability affects far too many people. Affect 30 creatures at 10th level... when your Perform bonus is going to be absurd. It does seem a little overpowered. Hmm, this sounds alright. Again with the wording of the line about the saving throw, but other than that, looks fine to me. That's nifty, and I don't see a problem with it. That is awesome for a bard or bard-like character. I have no issue with it. Again, a nifty thing for a bard to be able to do, and again, I have no issue with it. I have no issue with this. Again, nifty ability, and again, no issues here. So this basically lets you do all five at once, right? In that case, I'm fine with it. It's not that outrageous of an ability at 10th, given that a character isn't capable of getting this until 20th character level. [/QUOTE]
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