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PrCs - which ones are (a bit) over the edge?
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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3402389" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>Okay, if I've got the sums right, that makes the character at least a Ftr 4/Wiz 5/EK 10 for the +16 BAB and the 7th level spells (though there are other ways to get that combo, I think that's the lowest level it's possible).</p><p></p><p>So, compare with a Ftr 19, assuming a two handed weapon +3 (likely to be higher, as no need to boost both melee ability and spell-casting stats) and a Str 16 (also likely to be higher, for the same reason).</p><p></p><p>So, attack:</p><p></p><p>+19 (BAB)</p><p>+3 (Str)</p><p>+3 (sword +3)</p><p>+2 (Imp Wpn Focus)</p><p>-5 (Power attack)</p><p>Sum: +22/+17/+12/+7</p><p></p><p>Damage:</p><p></p><p>2d6+3 (sword)</p><p>+4 (Str)</p><p>+10 (Power Attack)</p><p>+4 (Imp Wpn spec)</p><p>Sum: 28 damage per attack.</p><p></p><p>A cursory examination indicates that the EK is ahead. Except:</p><p></p><p>This hasn't taken into account any of the feats the Fighter has except for Weapon Focus and Specialisation.</p><p></p><p>The Fighter hasn't had to sacrifice one of very few 7th level spells he has available for the day - the Fighter can hit like this over and over and over again.</p><p></p><p>The Fighter gets to wear armour.</p><p></p><p>The Fighter has vastly more hit points: 19d10 (109) instead of 4d10+5d4+10d6 (74).</p><p></p><p>The Fighter gets to assign all his wealth to boosting his Strength and his weapon, where the Eldritch Knight has to also boost his Intelligence, and probably needs to spend a lot more to get an AC that's even comparable. Likewise for the stat boosts gained every 4 levels.</p><p></p><p>Also, the Fighter isn't the most powerful melee combatant in the game - a 19th level Barbarian with greataxe, mithral full plate and animated shield stomps all over him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 3402389, member: 22424"] Okay, if I've got the sums right, that makes the character at least a Ftr 4/Wiz 5/EK 10 for the +16 BAB and the 7th level spells (though there are other ways to get that combo, I think that's the lowest level it's possible). So, compare with a Ftr 19, assuming a two handed weapon +3 (likely to be higher, as no need to boost both melee ability and spell-casting stats) and a Str 16 (also likely to be higher, for the same reason). So, attack: +19 (BAB) +3 (Str) +3 (sword +3) +2 (Imp Wpn Focus) -5 (Power attack) Sum: +22/+17/+12/+7 Damage: 2d6+3 (sword) +4 (Str) +10 (Power Attack) +4 (Imp Wpn spec) Sum: 28 damage per attack. A cursory examination indicates that the EK is ahead. Except: This hasn't taken into account any of the feats the Fighter has except for Weapon Focus and Specialisation. The Fighter hasn't had to sacrifice one of very few 7th level spells he has available for the day - the Fighter can hit like this over and over and over again. The Fighter gets to wear armour. The Fighter has vastly more hit points: 19d10 (109) instead of 4d10+5d4+10d6 (74). The Fighter gets to assign all his wealth to boosting his Strength and his weapon, where the Eldritch Knight has to also boost his Intelligence, and probably needs to spend a lot more to get an AC that's even comparable. Likewise for the stat boosts gained every 4 levels. Also, the Fighter isn't the most powerful melee combatant in the game - a 19th level Barbarian with greataxe, mithral full plate and animated shield stomps all over him. [/QUOTE]
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