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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4722035" data-attributes="member: 71571">Fact:It takes feats for the 'OMG AWESOME AC' light-armor'd classes to get up to heavy armor level.&nbsp; As many, in fact, as it takes for a Cleric to get to Plate-and-sword-and-board level.Assuming a +4 dex/int/whatever mod for a light armor user:Cloth is inferior to everythingLeather is equivalent to chainHide is equivalent to scaleNothing is equivalent to plate.Now, of the classes that get armor bonuses, one is a non-dex/int based class, and doesn't get a replacement, and the other three are -cloth- wearers.&nbsp; Further more, of those cloth-wearers:One is a wizard, and needs to be wielding a two-handed weapon to get up to plate-level AC, and costs two feats to get thereOne is a swordmage, has to have an empty hand to get the full bonus, and is a defender, and is -supposed- to have plate-level AC.&nbsp; Also needs to spend a feat or twoOne is the avenger, who's a melee toe-to-toe fighter.All this, of course, ignores the fact that plate isn't the gold-standard for defenders or melee types.&nbsp; The entire story of armor does not -end- nor -begin- at the AC.&nbsp; Exalted Chain, for example, can be more valuable to a melee cleric than any sort of plate armor.&nbsp; Clerics aren't paladins, even in melee.&nbsp; Here's a question then.... if plate is so necessary for a melee cleric to function, where are the 'VALOR BARDS NEED PLATE OMG' threads?&nbsp; They don't exist, because leaders don't need plate to function.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4722035, member: 71571"] Fact: It takes feats for the 'OMG AWESOME AC' light-armor'd classes to get up to heavy armor level. As many, in fact, as it takes for a Cleric to get to Plate-and-sword-and-board level. Assuming a +4 dex/int/whatever mod for a light armor user: Cloth is inferior to everything Leather is equivalent to chain Hide is equivalent to scale Nothing is equivalent to plate. Now, of the classes that get armor bonuses, one is a non-dex/int based class, and doesn't get a replacement, and the other three are -cloth- wearers. Further more, of those cloth-wearers: One is a wizard, and needs to be wielding a two-handed weapon to get up to plate-level AC, and costs two feats to get there One is a swordmage, has to have an empty hand to get the full bonus, and is a defender, and is -supposed- to have plate-level AC. Also needs to spend a feat or two One is the avenger, who's a melee toe-to-toe fighter. All this, of course, ignores the fact that plate isn't the gold-standard for defenders or melee types. The entire story of armor does not -end- nor -begin- at the AC. Exalted Chain, for example, can be more valuable to a melee cleric than any sort of plate armor. Clerics aren't paladins, even in melee. Here's a question then.... if plate is so necessary for a melee cleric to function, where are the 'VALOR BARDS NEED PLATE OMG' threads? They don't exist, because leaders don't need plate to function. [/QUOTE]

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