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<blockquote data-quote="nogray" data-source="post: 3611038" data-attributes="member: 28028">Another way to shoot down the comboWhile I disagree with the grammatical interpretation described by Nonlethal Force (since it could also exclude a single classed non-speciallist Wiz 3 (can only cast a single spell each day) with a 12 or 13 Int or a Sor 4 (only knows a single spell), if taken too literally and too grammatically), I still don't allow the Mystic Theurge to be accessed with Precocious Apprentice. I think it was Hypersmurf who first described this rather elegant bit of rules-reading:The Precocious Apprentice feat states, &quot;When you become able to cast 2nd-level spells, you lose the benefit described above [the ability to maybe possibly cast your 2nd-level spell] but retain the extra 2nd-level spell slot, which you can use to prepare or spontaneously cast a spell of 2nd level or lower as you normally would.&quot;So your Wiz 1 (or Sor 1) takes the feat at 1st. He then takes 3 levels of (whatever divine casting class). This grants him the ability to cast 2nd-level spells, which triggers the above sentence. So your Wiz 1 has a 2nd-level spell slot, which can no longer be used to cast 2nd-level spells (since normally, a Wiz 1 can't cast 2nd-level spells). Thus, the prerequisites for Arcane Heirophant are no longer met. At least, that's my reading of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nogray, post: 3611038, member: 28028"] [b]Another way to shoot down the combo[/b] While I disagree with the grammatical interpretation described by Nonlethal Force (since it could also exclude a single classed non-speciallist Wiz 3 (can only cast a single spell each day) with a 12 or 13 Int or a Sor 4 (only knows a single spell), if taken too literally and too grammatically), I still don't allow the Mystic Theurge to be accessed with Precocious Apprentice. I think it was Hypersmurf who first described this rather elegant bit of rules-reading: The Precocious Apprentice feat states, "When you become able to cast 2nd-level spells, you lose the benefit described above [the ability to maybe possibly cast your 2nd-level spell] but retain the extra 2nd-level spell slot, which you can use to prepare or spontaneously cast a spell of 2nd level or lower as you normally would." So your Wiz 1 (or Sor 1) takes the feat at 1st. He then takes 3 levels of (whatever divine casting class). This grants him the ability to cast 2nd-level spells, which triggers the above sentence. So your Wiz 1 has a 2nd-level spell slot, which can no longer be used to cast 2nd-level spells (since [I]normally[/I], a Wiz 1 can't cast 2nd-level spells). Thus, the prerequisites for Arcane Heirophant are no longer met. At least, that's my reading of it. [/QUOTE]

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