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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7931128" data-attributes="member: 6795602">So in terms of sameyness -What do you want the 5e fighter or rogue to do that he cannot? I'll solve that one for you - be a cavalierA battlemaster with good Charisma and rallying cry and inspiring leader and healer does a lot more than be a damage (leader)A fighter that grapples can stop an enemy in their tracks (control)A fighter that trip attacks is slowing an enemy and giving allies bonuses to hit it control)A fighter can cast utility spells to buff himself or possibly others (leader)There were 2 primary parts of a 4e roleRole Mechanic - The defender ones were the only role mechanics I can think of that had a unique feel between classes in the same role. Powers that supplemented the role - This was your 2[W] + small side effect ability that 90% of all powers were modeled after.  You had to really try to not take a samey feeling 2[W] + small side effect power with every character in the group.  Heck even most dailies went to 3[W] + moderate side effect or 2[W] + bigger side effect.  There were a few gems that if you optimized you could find that would eliminate some of the sameyness - but overall the game was very samey.  For example,I'll use encounter power to do:Player 1:  2[W] + slide 1Player 2:  2[W] + grant +1 attack for next allyPlayer 3:  2[W] + make enemies next attack be at -1Player 4:  2[W] + pull 1 (and mark it since I'm a fighter)Also, an added layer of sameyness was the encouragement to refluff everything.Most of 5e's choices they give to a player are not samey.  Subclass choice is huge.Classes all have a different mechanic - despite nearly all of them using extra attack.Barbarian = RageFighter = Action Surge + Number of attacksPaladin = Divine SmiteRanger = Hunter's MarkMonk = Flurry of blowsFull casters are alot more samey in mechanics - but there's still a huge difference in playing a bard, a cleric or a wizard because of the types of spells each have access to.</blockquote>

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