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<blockquote data-quote="FrozenNorth" data-source="post: 7933316" data-attributes="member: 7020832"><p>That depends how the feat is written. Let’s use an example from 5e for illustrative purposes: the Subtle metamagic.</p><p>A Sorcerer with this metamagic can simply say “I’m spending 1 SP, no one can see or hear me cast.” Makes sense. If a Bard or Wizard wants to have the same effect, the DM can disallow it, require a Stealth roll with disadvantage against the hearer’s passive Perception, or straight Stealth roll against the hearer’s passive Perception. Subtle is better, but other characters can try to duplicate the effect.</p><p>In P2e, the equivalent is a Wizard exclusive and requires two feats: Conceal Spell and Silent Spell. Except, even with Silent Spell, the Wizard still has to make a Stealth check against the target’s Perception. </p><p>So, how do you adjudicate it if the Bard or the Arcane Rogue want to duplicate the effect? The Wizard spent 2 feats and invested in the Stealth skill to cast silently. Allowing the Bard or the Arcane Rogue to just roll Stealth is unfair: without investing any feats, each is more likely to succeed than the Wizard, since they are more likely to have high Dex and Stealth.</p><p>You can still balance this, but doing so is non-obvious.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrozenNorth, post: 7933316, member: 7020832"] That depends how the feat is written. Let’s use an example from 5e for illustrative purposes: the Subtle metamagic. A Sorcerer with this metamagic can simply say “I’m spending 1 SP, no one can see or hear me cast.” Makes sense. If a Bard or Wizard wants to have the same effect, the DM can disallow it, require a Stealth roll with disadvantage against the hearer’s passive Perception, or straight Stealth roll against the hearer’s passive Perception. Subtle is better, but other characters can try to duplicate the effect. In P2e, the equivalent is a Wizard exclusive and requires two feats: Conceal Spell and Silent Spell. Except, even with Silent Spell, the Wizard still has to make a Stealth check against the target’s Perception. So, how do you adjudicate it if the Bard or the Arcane Rogue want to duplicate the effect? The Wizard spent 2 feats and invested in the Stealth skill to cast silently. Allowing the Bard or the Arcane Rogue to just roll Stealth is unfair: without investing any feats, each is more likely to succeed than the Wizard, since they are more likely to have high Dex and Stealth. You can still balance this, but doing so is non-obvious. [/QUOTE]
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