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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7933603" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>I think it was a point worth an explanation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. That would have been nice to hear prior to now</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Couldn't agree more</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For better or worse - most people identify a fighter by his martial fighting style. It's done in MMA, Boxing and for fictional Fighters as well. I think the choice between Defensive or Particular Weapon Category is a meaningful difference in conceptualization to most people. Also, while not really the main point it will also cause said fighters to feel differently in combat even if they don't actively play very differently - psychological effect is my guess.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll challenge this one. Take a 4e Fighter. What's he doing that meaningfully differentiates himself from another 4e fighter? Whereas in 5e that differentiation happens at the subclass level and it's effects are huge! Casting spells vs Defender Mechanics vs Superiority Dice vs Champion. Nothing in 4e got close to that level of differentiation for a fighter.</p><p></p><p>Some classes fared better than others in this regard but I'd give 5e the edge in terms of aggregate differences.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's nothing 4e has in terms of roles on the same level as the divide between a 5e Champion Fighter and a 5e Wizard</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7933603, member: 6795602"] I think it was a point worth an explanation. Agreed. That would have been nice to hear prior to now Couldn't agree more [I][/I] For better or worse - most people identify a fighter by his martial fighting style. It's done in MMA, Boxing and for fictional Fighters as well. I think the choice between Defensive or Particular Weapon Category is a meaningful difference in conceptualization to most people. Also, while not really the main point it will also cause said fighters to feel differently in combat even if they don't actively play very differently - psychological effect is my guess. I'll challenge this one. Take a 4e Fighter. What's he doing that meaningfully differentiates himself from another 4e fighter? Whereas in 5e that differentiation happens at the subclass level and it's effects are huge! Casting spells vs Defender Mechanics vs Superiority Dice vs Champion. Nothing in 4e got close to that level of differentiation for a fighter. Some classes fared better than others in this regard but I'd give 5e the edge in terms of aggregate differences. [I][/I] There's nothing 4e has in terms of roles on the same level as the divide between a 5e Champion Fighter and a 5e Wizard [/QUOTE]
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