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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 7934391" data-attributes="member: 87792">What feats were those? Because if they existed at all I can't think of any. 4e basic attacks were a very specific thing - with specific uses.Meanwhile 3.5 had feats that replaced your basic attack with something better like Manyshot and Whirlwind Attack. Pathfinder doubled down with Vital Strike which took your iterative attacks and replaced them with a single more powerful attack. Pathfinder 2e doing this through a feat is entirely down that path - and through feats like Shield Slam.Apocalypse World was around to influence it. Fate was around to influence it. Dungeon Crawl Classics was around to influence it. Yet I don't see the claims of ancestry from those. Just because other things exist doesn't mean that they were paid any more than subconscious attention to.They made an explicit successor game to Pathfinder 1 using a whole lot of Pathfinder 1 design assumptions and that tried to build on what they were doing with Pathfinder 1. I disagreed with your assertion about genetics. As I said evolution as a word predates Mendel by 200 years.Pathfinder was a lightly tweaked version of D&D 3.5 - any attempt to say that Pathfinder isn't directly descended from D&D 3.5 is risible.Pathfinder 2e is an explicit sequel to Pathfinder 1e.Can you give examples please? And can you then tell me how they differ from Pathfinder 1's Vital Strike - a core feat which replaces your iterative attacks with one bigger attack. And that is fairly heavily used in the game.I found Essentials was a really good set of splatbooks for 4e and there wasn't too much more that could be produced in the current direction.And I have never so far as I am aware said I didn't make a hypothesis - which was then disproved by someone else.  A disproven hypothesis is disproven. And something presented as a hypothesis is explicitly something I am uncertain about.</blockquote>

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