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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 7935401" data-attributes="member: 6688277">To build on what [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] has said above about the 4e DMG, it needed a new mindset which many of the fanbase were not at the level to accept or know. The designers had all moved on, incorporating many modern techniques - but much of the fanbase was not there (yet). It needed a page or two to speak to that old fanbase.I certainly never appreciated 4e for what it truly was until much later and mostly due to these boards which was/is a shame (I only joined Enworld 2011 I think). 4e wasn't the D&D chassis I wanted but I did enjoy the growth in me as a DM because of these new techniques which I can now and often incorporate into my 5e game. You can never go wrong with extra toolkits.It was either Charlaquin or Neonchameleon (I think the latter) who mentioned upthread about the various at-will fighter powers that could have easily been incorporated as fighter styles in 5e instead of some of the blander +x damage here or +x to hit. That is a golden way to improve that class.The tinkerer in me is dying to correct this all for our table's next campaign. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f913.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":geek:" title="Geek    :geek:"  data-smilie="30"data-shortname=":geek:" /></blockquote>