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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 7935637" data-attributes="member: 6688277">[USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] I'm not going to get into a discussion with you regarding how I perceived the game to be or that most versions of D&D even in 5e, the fighter can be described as hacking and slashing round-in, round-out so yes the same-y exists, but it was a combination of all those other factors I mentioned that brought me to that perception of the 4e game.Rest assued I do not have that perception now. It was how I saw it then and judging from what other posters have said (and do keep in mind I wasn't apart of the online community during the edition wars) they had similar experiences. Again I do not have that perception now of 4e.And with all due to respect I played BECMI, AD&D, 2e and 3e so when 4e came out the presentation of the book to me was not relatable. You went from Rolemaster to 4e. I cannot describe to you the disappointment I had when I paged though the PHB. I had not seen a preview or anything so yeah it was my first look after buying it and I was immensely frustrated with it.</blockquote>