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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 7936238" data-attributes="member: 6696971">That is basically where I stand.If you strip out everything that is native to specific cards and to specific deck build archetypes (which is the analog I'm drawing to specific powers and specific character build archetypes) from magic, you're left with the unified framework of the rules (I mentioned these things in full upthread) which includes a unified framework for everything (including hand recharge rate as you mention) except ratio of Lands, Spells, etc.  However, as I mentioned upthread as well, the way I look at the "freedom" of the ratio of Lands is that its basically an illusion.  If you want to have a functional deck (meaning you can play it and have a fair chance to win over a series of games), you're going to have to have a specific number of lands (whether you're Aggro or not).So if we're solely talking about the freedom of building to archetype, I don't think I feel like MtG has the upper hand on 4e to any significant degree (particularly when you include the Land requirements for functional archetypes).  By level 7 alone, I've chosen:BackgroundRaceClassThemeClass sub-feature buildRace sub-feature build 2 At Wills4 Feats (which are hugely impactful choices in terms of broadening or focusing; a simple decision like choosing the Skill Power Mighty Sprint vs a Skill reroll Skill Power or a combat build synergizer like + Forced Movement or Shift or + hit MBA)3 Encounter Attack Powers2 Daily Attach Powers2 Utility Powers (which can be AW, E, or D)Multiple magic itemsIf Quests are included in build (because they control the trajectory of play), then you'll have chosen and resolved perhaps 10 Minor/Major Quests by level 7.++++++++++That is a ton (some would say too many) of build decisions that work in concert to diversify what the actual decision-tree that you'll be working with in play looks like (and the thematics that emerge from those inputs and their outputs).</blockquote>

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