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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7936917" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Many mythic heroes cross over into the supernatural, especially depending on the version of the story.&nbsp; Yes, Beowulf took out a troll, and it's mother and finally meets his match with a dragon.&nbsp; Cuchulainn is descended from a god, trains with a goddess and takes out a bunch of soldiers.&nbsp; The base stories don't make them super-heroic, just very strong and competent warriors.&nbsp; Apparently there are variants I'm not&nbsp; familiar with that make them more supernatural.Sometimes mythic heroes were explicitly supernatural, whether discussing Achilles, Hercules or Paul Bunyan.&nbsp; As far as dragons, they are exactly as hard to kill as the rules say they are in 5E.&nbsp; If a group of 5E fighter types could take out a dragon then it kind of makes my point because barring the odd subclass here and there they fit my vision of what a fighter can accomplish without the aid of magic or supernatural abilities.&nbsp; Of course in my campaigns, nobody has managed to take out an ancient red dragon yet (they don't fight fair or fight to the death), so YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7936917, member: 6801845"] Many mythic heroes cross over into the supernatural, especially depending on the version of the story. Yes, Beowulf took out a troll, and it's mother and finally meets his match with a dragon. Cuchulainn is descended from a god, trains with a goddess and takes out a bunch of soldiers. The [I]base[/I] stories don't make them super-heroic, just very strong and competent warriors. Apparently there are variants I'm not familiar with that make them more supernatural. Sometimes mythic heroes were explicitly supernatural, whether discussing Achilles, Hercules or Paul Bunyan. As far as dragons, they are exactly as hard to kill as the rules say they are in 5E. If a group of 5E fighter types could take out a dragon then it kind of makes my point because barring the odd subclass here and there they fit my vision of what a fighter can accomplish without the aid of magic or supernatural abilities. Of course in my campaigns, nobody has managed to take out an ancient red dragon yet (they don't fight fair or fight to the death), so YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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