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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 7937342" data-attributes="member: 6696971">I’d order it like this:GeneticsGeneticsGeneticsGeneticsGeneticsGeneticsGeneticsTraining and repetition increasing WAAAAY outside the normal population distribution default:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">spatial geometry understanding</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">coordination</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">finger, hand, wrist, shoulder, back, core strength</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">muscle chain explosiveness</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">increased creativity and 3D puzzle/obstacle-solving ability</li> </ul>The point of my post was to drive home the point that genetically gifted and hard-working humans are capable of far, far, far more than what D&D GMs smuggle into their games (and constrain martial PCs by) due to their lack of exposure and understanding. This (not pejorative) “ignorance bias” has a direct impact on play, particularly in proportion to how (a) how much/little genre logic informs action resolution and (b) how much authority the GM’s dearth or breadth of knowledge/understanding has over action resolution.And finally, GMs routinely hold martial players to below Earthly human standards in terms of physical feats. Those physical capabilities are precisely what martial PCs rely upon to defeat monsters in physical combat. My contention is as it always has been. Explosiveness, coordination, resilience, speed/accuracy of processing to fire the neural system are the base substrate for dealing with Epic Tier D&D antagonists (especially things like Ancient Wyrms). Upon that you build with training and repetition, but that base substrate is BY FAR the most important thing.The base substrate allowed for by most GMs just doesn’t comport with being able to survive, let alone win, a melee encounter with an Ancient Wyrm.It’s fine for folks to say “I don’t care, I want my martial characters to be grounded by my own real world experience and understanding.” But it would be nice if folks acknowledged (a) the fiction disparity it creates between martial hero and obstacle and (b) the impact on play at endgame when it comes to martial characters and spellcaster s dealing with noncombat obstacles (whether people or information deficits or physical obstacles).</blockquote>

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