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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7938847" data-attributes="member: 6801845">So once in a while 3E went too far.  You could probably find something in 5E if you look hard enough.  But it's the exception to the rule.  With 4E they went that far and further from level 1 for every class.  I grew up reading fantasy stories.  When I play D&D I want to play Fafhrd, The Gray Mouser, Conan, Aragorn or Gimli.  I want to envision scenes and have capabilities that were represented in that fiction.  Do the heroes sometimes do extraordinary things?  Absolutely.  They're heroes.  But there's a line that fiction did not cross.  Yes 3E may have crossed it once in a while but it was the exception to the rule.When we were making the transition from 4E to 5E we had one guy that really loved anime.  All his PC portraits were anime pictures, he went to conventions.  For him, 4E enabled him to capture that feel in a game and he really liked 4E.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.Where you draw the line on what makes sense for you is going to vary.  With 5E they do things here and there that bug me (long bows being dex based only is one) but it's a minor speed bump here and there.  It's not a giant hill of cognitive dissonance I have to climb over every encounter.</blockquote>