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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7939228" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>So did I.</p><p></p><p>The fantasy stories that shape my basic sensibilities are LotR, Earthsea and REH Conan (as adapted by Marvel Comics in the 70s/80s, and in more recent decades the stories themselves). In film it has bee Excalibur, Ladyhawke, and in more recent decades Hero and Ashes of Time.</p><p></p><p>AD&D played straight out of the box has never evoked any of these storie for me, because magic and wizardry in AD&D doesn't resemble any of these stories, and nor does the basic dynamic of play. It's much too close to Advanced Squad Leader.</p><p></p><p>If I wanted to run a LotR game, the only version of D&D I would use would be 4e (confined to Heroic or perhaps low Paragon tier) with changes to the recovery rate, appropriate class restrictions, and dialling down the rituals (along the lines that the Dark Sun book suggests, but more). Although this is mostly hypothetical, given that in fact <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/middle-earth-lotr-rpging-using-cortex-heroic.670013/" target="_blank">the LotR game I'mr running uses Cortex+ Heroic</a>.</p><p></p><p>My reason for making this post is to push back against the suggestion that people who like 4e have some sort of aberrant or "anime" taste in fantasy. Because the only literart magic-user I am familiar with who is at all well-modelled by a mid-to-high level D&D wizard is Dr Strange. And Dr Strange's friends can hurl knives and shurikens at a rapid rate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7939228, member: 42582"] So did I. The fantasy stories that shape my basic sensibilities are LotR, Earthsea and REH Conan (as adapted by Marvel Comics in the 70s/80s, and in more recent decades the stories themselves). In film it has bee Excalibur, Ladyhawke, and in more recent decades Hero and Ashes of Time. AD&D played straight out of the box has never evoked any of these storie for me, because magic and wizardry in AD&D doesn't resemble any of these stories, and nor does the basic dynamic of play. It's much too close to Advanced Squad Leader. If I wanted to run a LotR game, the only version of D&D I would use would be 4e (confined to Heroic or perhaps low Paragon tier) with changes to the recovery rate, appropriate class restrictions, and dialling down the rituals (along the lines that the Dark Sun book suggests, but more). Although this is mostly hypothetical, given that in fact [url=https://www.enworld.org/threads/middle-earth-lotr-rpging-using-cortex-heroic.670013/]the LotR game I'mr running uses Cortex+ Heroic[/url]. My reason for making this post is to push back against the suggestion that people who like 4e have some sort of aberrant or "anime" taste in fantasy. Because the only literart magic-user I am familiar with who is at all well-modelled by a mid-to-high level D&D wizard is Dr Strange. And Dr Strange's friends can hurl knives and shurikens at a rapid rate. [/QUOTE]
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