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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4522563" data-attributes="member: 7635">A game is not the sum of its parts. Its more than that. Joe's points are pretty much the most common 4e complaints I hear. They could become archetypal. As far as I can tell, the four major complaints about 4r boil down thusly.1.) The game is too MMO/CCG/Skirmish Minis game, and depends too heavily on online pay-to-use components and an endless stream of supplements/cards/minis/tiles to play.2.) In an attempt to re-balance the classes against the themselves, yhe game has ruined all sense of what a "fighter" or "wizard" should be able to, most often by giving powers equal to magical effects to non-magical classes and removing powerful (and potentially game-breaking) options from spellcasters.3.) Much of D&Ds fluff has been re-branded, and the resulting world fluff (as sparse as it is) and the associated crunch (such as races, monsters, or magic items) do not seem to carry the D&D feel from before.4.) The rules seem to emphasize episodic, narrative play that is heavy on combat, action, and dice rolling and seem poorly suited to open, simulation-style play that relies more on random generation or non-combat task resolution.They are all, in the end, legitimate targets, but I think focusing on any one (to the exclusion of all else) is dangerous, and often leads to these hot opinions being tossed and the ensuing flames to begin.To the point, I think Joe's points are (while large in his mind) some of the weakest to point out. The first three are squarely in area 2 (class re-balance) and the last seems to be area 4. Specifically, they trend toward the classic narrative of "fighters don't get cool toys, they get armor, weapons, and a good to-hit. Wizards get poor defenses* but can use Real Ultimate Power." The last is purely subjective, since combat-oriented D&D has existed since the days of OD&D. (* One can argue how "squishy" an invisible, flying, stone-skinned wizard really is, but I digress.)</blockquote>

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