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<blockquote data-quote="lichmaster" data-source="post: 8461461" data-attributes="member: 6683330"><p>I'm not sure this discussion will ever terminate, unless the designers weight in for the <em>exact and complete</em> purposes of PtA and Fallback.</p><p>What we know so far is that the intent of PtA is to either push the target 5ft bak or gaining expertise, and vice versa for FB. I like the idea of it, but given 5e's more lose definitions we may never get to a wording that's exhaustive and unequivocal.</p><p></p><p>As I stated as the beginning, in my regular DMing, I'd see PtA and FB as lockstep movement that does not trigger any OA. I'd rule that you can decide to PtA wrt one target, and commit at least one attack against it, to avoid the unintentional side effect of it becoming a feint maneuver.</p><p>In case FB cannot happen because of any physical restriction, than I'd rule PtA can happen and does thus automatically grant expertise to the attacker: after all being cornered means you have less defensive options. This will also make tactics like standing in front of a chokepoint a bit more interesting, as there's a tradeoff to be paid: you can still hold ground, but will be attacked more easily.</p><p></p><p>If the defender doesn't want to fall back because there's a cliff, that' totally legitimate and the whole point of the PtA FB mechanics, but the defender will be in a really dire situation as not only the attacker will gain expertise, but will still be able to shove him down the cliff.</p><p></p><p>This is of course my interpretation and how I'd run my game given the current knowledge of the rules (which is still very partial).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lichmaster, post: 8461461, member: 6683330"] I'm not sure this discussion will ever terminate, unless the designers weight in for the [I]exact and complete[/I] purposes of PtA and Fallback. What we know so far is that the intent of PtA is to either push the target 5ft bak or gaining expertise, and vice versa for FB. I like the idea of it, but given 5e's more lose definitions we may never get to a wording that's exhaustive and unequivocal. As I stated as the beginning, in my regular DMing, I'd see PtA and FB as lockstep movement that does not trigger any OA. I'd rule that you can decide to PtA wrt one target, and commit at least one attack against it, to avoid the unintentional side effect of it becoming a feint maneuver. In case FB cannot happen because of any physical restriction, than I'd rule PtA can happen and does thus automatically grant expertise to the attacker: after all being cornered means you have less defensive options. This will also make tactics like standing in front of a chokepoint a bit more interesting, as there's a tradeoff to be paid: you can still hold ground, but will be attacked more easily. If the defender doesn't want to fall back because there's a cliff, that' totally legitimate and the whole point of the PtA FB mechanics, but the defender will be in a really dire situation as not only the attacker will gain expertise, but will still be able to shove him down the cliff. This is of course my interpretation and how I'd run my game given the current knowledge of the rules (which is still very partial). [/QUOTE]
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