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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 1228861" data-attributes="member: 957">Well, I'm pretty strongly in the opposite camp.Swept Away, Gigli, Glitter, and numerous other abominations of motion picture do not mean that movies are a bad thing.And simply being better at one thing at the cost of another is not automatically bad.  Being better at archer than a straight fighter can be done in a fun, balanced manner.  Unfortunately, the typical formula is that you get better at archery in exchange for giving up somthing you really don't care about.  Which isn't just bad design, it is truly horrid design.The core books do provide a great variety of character concepts that can be built.  And I'll agree 100% that if a character concept can be fully realized with core classes, then there is no point in a PClass.  And there are vast options available there.  But PClasses open that up to a literally infinite degree.Taken to an absurd degree, this same logic should apply to feats.  God knows that there are TONS of horribly designed feats out there.  So that is crime #1.  And if you want your fighter to be good at spotting and listening, you should put ranks in spot and listen.  Altertness is just a way to wheedle around the fact that fighters don't get many skill points and these skills are cross class for them.  So that is crime #2.  Obviously I don't buy this arguement, but to me the only difference between this position and the one being made in this thread is a matter of degree.Consider the MT.  I strongly dislike the MT.  So I am not defending it.  But I would offer that an Wiz5/Cler5/MT10 is LESS overpowered than a Wiz10/Cler10 is underpowered.  Saying "Hey, you got to give up power for versitility," is nice and all.  But when the amount of power surrendered is so great that the class becomes unviable, then you have a problem.  And if your reply is that it is a roleplaying choice and powergaming just has to suffer, then you really should not be in this debate.  Either comparable power levels for characters is important or it is not.Anyway, if every Joe Schmoe who liked movies could whip one out and post it on the net is 15 minutes, I would propose that there would be a hell of a lot more Gigli's out there.  (Yes, there would be a few diamonds, this is beside the point.) And the arguement that movies suck would be just as rational as the anti-PClass position here.The babies are small, few and for between.  And the bathtub may be as large as an olympic pool.  But the saying still holds.</blockquote>

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