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<blockquote data-quote="JChung2003" data-source="post: 892526" data-attributes="member: 7608"><p>How is a 20th level paladin "lots better" than a 4th level fighter/16th level paladin?</p><p></p><p><strong><em>Ftr4/Pal16 v. Pal20</em></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Base Attack Bonus</strong></p><p>The same (+20)</p><p></p><p><strong>Base Save Bonus</strong></p><p>The same (+12/+6/+6)</p><p></p><p><strong>Feats</strong></p><p>Ftr4/Pal16 has three bonus fighter feats; Pal20 does not.</p><p>Ftr4/Pal16 can take Weapon Specialization as a feat; Pal20 cannot.</p><p></p><p><strong>Skills</strong></p><p>Both have the same number of skill points, except: (a) Ftr4/Pal16 has Climb, Jump, and Swim as class skills for four fighter levels and (b) Pal20 has Concentration, Diplomacy, Heal, Knowledge (religion), and Profession as class skills for four more paladin levels than the Ftr4/Pal16.</p><p></p><p><strong>Class Abilities</strong></p><p>Pal20 can lay hands for 20x his Charisma modifier hit points; Ftr4/Pal16 can only lay hands for 16x his Charisma modifier hit points.</p><p></p><p>Pal20 can smite evil 1/day for +20 damage. Ftr4/Pal16 can smite evil 1/day for +16 damage.</p><p></p><p>Pal20 can remove disease 6/week. Ftr4/Pal16 can remove disease 5/week.</p><p></p><p>Pal20 can cast 3/3/3/3 spells per day. Ftr4/Pal16 can cast 2/2/1/1 spells per day.</p><p></p><p>Pal20 can turn undead as a Clr18. Ftr4/Pal16 can turn undead as a Clr14.</p><p></p><p>Pal20 can cast magic as a 10th level divine spellcaster. Ftr4/Pal16 can cast magic as an 8th level divine spellcaster.</p><p></p><p>Pal20's mount is the same as the Ftr4/Pal16's mount except (a) Pal20's mount can command other creatures of its kind 10/day while the Ftr4/Pal16's mount can command other creatures of its kind 8/day and (b) Pal20's mount has SR 25, while the Ftr4/Pal16's mount has SR 21.</p><p></p><p><strong>Summary</strong></p><p></p><p>I see the Pal20 as a slightly better paladin than the Ftr4/Pal16, while the Ftr4/Pal16 is a slightly better fighter than the Pal20. This is as it should be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JChung2003, post: 892526, member: 7608"] How is a 20th level paladin "lots better" than a 4th level fighter/16th level paladin? [B][I]Ftr4/Pal16 v. Pal20[/I][/B] [b]Base Attack Bonus[/b] The same (+20) [b]Base Save Bonus[/b] The same (+12/+6/+6) [b]Feats[/b] Ftr4/Pal16 has three bonus fighter feats; Pal20 does not. Ftr4/Pal16 can take Weapon Specialization as a feat; Pal20 cannot. [b]Skills[/b] Both have the same number of skill points, except: (a) Ftr4/Pal16 has Climb, Jump, and Swim as class skills for four fighter levels and (b) Pal20 has Concentration, Diplomacy, Heal, Knowledge (religion), and Profession as class skills for four more paladin levels than the Ftr4/Pal16. [b]Class Abilities[/b] Pal20 can lay hands for 20x his Charisma modifier hit points; Ftr4/Pal16 can only lay hands for 16x his Charisma modifier hit points. Pal20 can smite evil 1/day for +20 damage. Ftr4/Pal16 can smite evil 1/day for +16 damage. Pal20 can remove disease 6/week. Ftr4/Pal16 can remove disease 5/week. Pal20 can cast 3/3/3/3 spells per day. Ftr4/Pal16 can cast 2/2/1/1 spells per day. Pal20 can turn undead as a Clr18. Ftr4/Pal16 can turn undead as a Clr14. Pal20 can cast magic as a 10th level divine spellcaster. Ftr4/Pal16 can cast magic as an 8th level divine spellcaster. Pal20's mount is the same as the Ftr4/Pal16's mount except (a) Pal20's mount can command other creatures of its kind 10/day while the Ftr4/Pal16's mount can command other creatures of its kind 8/day and (b) Pal20's mount has SR 25, while the Ftr4/Pal16's mount has SR 21. [b]Summary[/b] I see the Pal20 as a slightly better paladin than the Ftr4/Pal16, while the Ftr4/Pal16 is a slightly better fighter than the Pal20. This is as it should be. [/QUOTE]
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