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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 7044064" data-attributes="member: 92511">Ah. But what if a 5e subclass IS, simply, just a pre-set &quot;Feat Chain&quot;?3 or 5 levels of special features -and specific thematic flavor- that are a bit &quot;bigger&quot; than class features. That's all. Maybe even sometimes augment existing features...or have to be tied into proficiency so they &quot;grow&quot; with the character regardless of level.Take them at level 5 or level 10, they do the same thing. They soak up 3 or 5 levels of your progression, then back to your original class...or on to something else?There are few here who despise 3+e style multiclassing as much as I and bar it uniformly from my games. But, given 5e's class structure and the fact that it seems most tables do not share my sensibility in that arena, this LOOKS (on the drawing board) ilke it should work.And even for those who do NOT wish to use the OPTIONAL multiclassing rules in 5e, you could lay these 3-5 level &quot;layer&quot; on top of a single classed character just fine...and still get the special and specific flavor and features of archetypes too &quot;small&quot; or &quot;narrow&quot; in flavor (too few features) or story (setting specific) to warrant an entire subclass of their own.I don't know. I don't mind the UA's first attempt. I don't think it really worked the way they wanted. But it had potential. I WOULD probably reclassify them by a different name than &quot;Prestige Class&quot; since that has some baggage and, apparently, bad feeling that comes with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 7044064, member: 92511"] Ah. But what if a 5e subclass IS, simply, just a pre-set "Feat Chain"? 3 or 5 levels of special features -and specific thematic flavor- that are a bit "bigger" than class features. That's all. Maybe even sometimes augment existing features...or have to be tied into proficiency so they "grow" with the character regardless of level. Take them at level 5 or level 10, they do the same thing. They soak up 3 or 5 levels of your progression, then back to your original class...or on to something else? There are few here who despise 3+e style multiclassing as much as I and bar it uniformly from my games. But, given 5e's class structure and the fact that it seems most tables do not share my sensibility in that arena, this LOOKS (on the drawing board) ilke it should work. And even for those who do NOT wish to use the OPTIONAL multiclassing rules in 5e, you could lay these 3-5 level "layer" on top of a single classed character just fine...and still get the special and specific flavor and features of archetypes too "small" or "narrow" in flavor (too few features) or story (setting specific) to warrant an entire subclass of their own. I don't know. I don't mind the UA's first attempt. I don't think it really worked the way they wanted. But it had potential. I WOULD probably reclassify them by a different name than "Prestige Class" since that has some baggage and, apparently, bad feeling that comes with it. [/QUOTE]

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