prestigue class conversion

Scott DeWar

Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
i have a character level 7 monk scorcerer (Pathfinder) of draconic bloodline with draconic heritage feats. what i would like to do is follow Enlightened Fist PRC (Complete Arcana) with this ccharacterr soon. i also have taken the Ascetic mage feat (Complete Adventurer, I think), so as to be able to continmue in monk after taking scorcerer levels. What I am curious to know, si, has anyone done any alteerations to enlightened fist prc, pathfinder style?

Thank you in advance.
 

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I haven't done any conversions specifically, but here's how I'd look at it:

PrC prerequisite changes:

- Just the skills (drop ranks required by 3 each). The rest don't break any Pathfinder conventions and are still appropriate.


Class changes:

- HD already matches the Pathfinder convention (medium BAB = d8), so no change.
- Good Saves should be reduced to +1/+1/+2/+2/+3/+3/+4/+4/+5/+5 to match the Pathfinder PrC saves. No change to poor saves.
- 'Monk Abilities' and Ki strike (magic), should follow the Ki Pool mechanics (although not getting Lawful and Adamantine, as those are specific class abilities, like added slow fall, which Enlightened Fist doesn't get). I'd let the Maneuver Training also count (so full BAB towards Maneuvers from the PrC), since it seems to fit the theme and function of the class.
- Multiclassing from Monk no longer loses access to leveling as a Monk, so the Ascetic Mage feat is superfluous for that. The PrC already grants it anyways, so unless you needed it before entering the PrC, it was never needed.

The rest seems to fit perfectly fine within the rules, not much change was needed overall. None of the specific abilities unique to the PrC really break any Pathfinder specifics.

I wouldn't add any Sorcerer bloodline stuff, since that's not really what the class is about. It's more "Monk adding spells to his attacks", and there's already the Dragon Disciple for bloodline/melee mixing.

On a side note, since you don't need the Ascetic Mage feat anymore, you could consider replacing it with the Arcane Strike feat. +1 attack/damage (treated as a +1 weapon rather), for spending your swift action in the round. If you also eventually took the Practiced Spellcaster feat, you'd likely be able to get it up to a +5 weapon.
Considering the amulet of mighty fists can be enchanted without having to have the +'s in front, and limited to +5 worth of enhancements, this could be worth it. You can't always buff up with Greater Magic Weapon, and that uses up a valuable Sorcerer spell known.
 

I haven't done any conversions specifically, but here's how I'd look at it:

PrC prerequisite changes:

- Just the skills (drop ranks required by 3 each). The rest don't break any Pathfinder conventions and are still appropriate.


Class changes:

- HD already matches the Pathfinder convention (medium BAB = d8), so no change.
- Good Saves should be reduced to +1/+1/+2/+2/+3/+3/+4/+4/+5/+5 to match the Pathfinder PrC saves. No change to poor saves.

yup, Knew about that

- 'Monk Abilities' and Ki strike (magic), should follow the Ki Pool mechanics (although not getting Lawful and Adamantine, as those are specific class abilities, like added slow fall, which Enlightened Fist doesn't get). I'd let the Maneuver Training also count (so full BAB towards Maneuvers from the PrC), since it seems to fit the theme and function of the class.

the bold and underlined portions are / will be notes that i find very interesting

- Multiclassing from Monk no longer loses access to leveling as a Monk, so the Ascetic Mage feat is superfluous for that. The PrC already grants it anyways, so unless you needed it before entering the PrC, it was never needed.

ok, here is where things get sticky. i had taken monk first, the went scorcer for 4 levels and athen back to monk for two levels. there fore, i needed the ascetic mage feat.

The rest seems to fit perfectly fine within the rules, not much change was needed overall. None of the specific abilities unique to the PrC really break any Pathfinder specifics.
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I guess this is one of my 'gripes':

[sblock=excerpt from enlightened fist prc]
Arcane Rejuvenation (Su): An enlightened fist of
5th level or higher can channel arcane energy to heal
her own wounds. As a standard action, she can sacrifice
one of her prepared spells or unused spell slots; doing
this heals a number of hit points of damage equal to the
spell’s level.[/sblock]

i think this ability is about worthless as written. is there a way to 'enhance' it by mixing Ki or stunning fist to maybe'calm resolve' for a greater hp healing value? perhaps, with the expenduture of Ki, the monk gets fast healing = to spell sacrificed (spell sacrificed of level 5, then fast healing 5)

sorry, I am haveing a brain burp. I cant quite think of the effect i am looking for. I need to research this a bit.

On a side note, since you don't need the Ascetic Mage feat anymore, you could consider --edit--
as mentioned above, his progression of post monk levels required this.
--edit--, You can't always buff up with Greater Magic Weapon, and that uses up a valuable Sorcerer spell known.
well, there is always the feat: extra spell in complete arcane. allows the learning of spells = to int mod or something like that. perhaps it should say for cha mod for scorcerers. also there are spells like magic fang that might work to enhance fists. after all they are simotaniouly natral and regular weapons as a monk.

thank you for the post. this gets the ol' brain juices flowing.
 
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I'm not sure that you got Kaisoku's meaning earlier. There is no longer any need for the Ascetic Mage feat in Pathfinder, because the Monk no longer suffers that penalty for dabbling outside the class.

So, if you had taken the feat while under the mistaken impression that you needed it to go from monk to sorceror and then back to monk, or if you had converted to Pathfinder after your character was already this far advanced, it looks like you have a free feat to re-assign.
 

oooooooooooooooh. *blush* ( i feel so much like a ....)any way, thank you for the clerification on this.

WOW! A free feat!! sweeeet! thanks guys!
 

Yeah, I realized partway through posting that Pathfinder doesn't need it anymore either, but forgot to rewrite the "unless you needed it before" part.

Regarding the ability.. not much has changed between 3.5e and Pathfinder regarding this ability. You have fairly similar hitpoints for your level, you are still using arcane magic to heal (something that is just as rare/difficult in both versions).

However.. the Monk has changed between versions. Wholeness of body used to only give 2x Monk level in hitpoints per day. Now you can get 2x Monk level in hitpoints per 2 Ki points spent. Which can be a significantly higher amount of healing than before.

If you wanted to expand upon that, you could grant the ability to spend 2 spell levels to have the same effect (or tone it down to 1x Monk level or something). Keep in mind that a 10 Monk/10 EF would have access to both types of healing (actually, a 7 Monk / 5 EF).

However, this would be totally within the realm of ability tweaking, and would be a significant increase in game power than before. DM's discretion sort of thing.
 

- Good Saves should be reduced to +1/+1/+2/+2/+3/+3/+4/+4/+5/+5 to match the Pathfinder PrC saves. No change to poor saves.

Actually, the poor saves change as well. They go 'up' a step, from:

Original: +0/+0/+1/+1/+1/+2/+2/+2/+3/+3
to
Pathfinder: +0/+1/+1/+1/+2/+2/+2/+3/+3/+3
 
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thanks guys! expirence points for all three of you!

as for the lev 2 spell slot en exchange for the same as 2 ki points, that may fly with my dm. I eill bring this to his attention.

I am still not close to the point of getting the prc yet, so if there are other ideas you may have, I am still reading this thread.
 

As my friend pointed out (who is actually playing a Monk right now), the Pathfinder Wholeness of Body is not twice level, but just 1x monk level of hitpoints for 2 Ki points.

Still more healing capability if you want to spend the points, but yeah... definitely only 1x Monk level.
 


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