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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8403111" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>I did not do so. What I said about your position is completely supported by your posts on the matter, as well as how you continue this very response to me. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, yeah. I'm going to ignore this bit of semantics and get to the core: You like what [USER=6901101]@Scott Christian[/USER] said about your position because they were backing you up. You don't like what I said because I was calling you out. I didn't have to say "I think this is what [USER=7032193]@Bird Of Play[/USER] is saying", because that way of talking is almost always used by people who want to back up the other person. Common variants to this are "I'm not the original poster, but . . ." and "To be fair, this is what I think they're actually saying". It's almost never used in a non-satirical manner when arguing against someone's base premise. </p><p></p><p>Just because you don't like what I said doesn't mean that it was wrong. </p><p></p><p>Here you go again. You just said that my position that you were saying that you think Rabbitfolk are dumb and ill-fitted for D&D and are trying to gatekeep them out of the hobby is wrong, and then literally just said that very same thing you said was incorrect for me to say. You just called it "putting words in your mouth" because you don't like what I was saying and wanted to dismiss it out of hand, not because it actually wasn't your position. (Also, no, they're not a "special event" in the default lore of Harengon. They're just a race that lives in the Feywild. You run them, or exclude them, however you want, but don't say stuff like "Bunnypeople are a special event, it makes no sense for them to exist in a world that has Lizardfolk, Catfolk, and Poisonous-Dart-Frogfolk!".)</p><p></p><p>I don't get that at all. I don't understand why or how "Bunny Curse!" is somehow better than "Race of Feywild-Dwelling Anthropomorphic-Rabbits" to you. </p><p></p><p>1) No one assumed that. They just said that they've existed for editions, so there's a long-running precedent for animalfolk in D&D (it's older than I am). We don't care if you use them, we just care if the premise was a thing that existed, and therefore nullify your claims that D&D doesn't have room for them (thematically or lorewise). </p><p>2) We never pretended that, and you're the one suddenly pretending as if the Lizardfolk are the only animalfolk in D&D. There are Catfolk in D&D 5e (in Volo's Guide to Monsters) that has a "Quirks" table that is basically every cat stereotype distilled into a d10 format. There's a race of Poisonous Dart Frog Humanoids that tie a flute-like-instrument to a string and flail it around in order to make a whistling noise to communicate across long-distances. There's a race of Birdfolk that can are mature when they're 3 years old, and have wacky suggested names like "Zeed", "Kleeck", and "Errk". There's even fish-people that have pet Seals and die if they aren't submerged in water every 4 hours. </p><p></p><p>If all of that ridiculousness (<em>which I love</em>) has a place in D&D, so do Harengon. And let's not for a moment pretend that there's so much of a thematic difference or "tonal shift" between those other types of Animalfolk and Rabbit/Harefolk. (I didn't even mention Kobolds, who are even more ridiculous than basically all of the other types of animalfolk. I mean, seriously, they're tiny lizard-dragon people that worship dragons as gods, are communists, and build elaborate traps and burrows to fool and kill adventurers because they're so physically weak.)</p><p></p><p>(Emphasis mine.)</p><p></p><p>That's your problem right there. Referring to it as "your" D&D. Get the hint, dude. D&D isn't yours. You aren't the arbiter of what gets to and what doesn't get to exist in D&D. You don't get to say things are bad for D&D, because none of us are allowed to do that. It's not even "your" D&D at "your" table. It's the table's D&D. It's personal to the group. Do what you want and include what you want at the table, but don't for a moment pretend like others are wrong for running D&D campaigns that include rabbitfolk. It doesn't hurt you in any way. Just leave it alone and ignore it. You've made it pretty clear that you don't like them by now. You can just drop it. </p><p></p><p>And that's why I said "there's no nuance here". You don't like rabbitfolk, which is fine, no one is forcing you to include them or trying to make you like them, they're just trying to stop you from bagging on them and calling people wrong for using/liking them. There's no nuance to badwrongfun. It's just the same old same old.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8403111, member: 7023887"] I did not do so. What I said about your position is completely supported by your posts on the matter, as well as how you continue this very response to me. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to ignore this bit of semantics and get to the core: You like what [USER=6901101]@Scott Christian[/USER] said about your position because they were backing you up. You don't like what I said because I was calling you out. I didn't have to say "I think this is what [USER=7032193]@Bird Of Play[/USER] is saying", because that way of talking is almost always used by people who want to back up the other person. Common variants to this are "I'm not the original poster, but . . ." and "To be fair, this is what I think they're actually saying". It's almost never used in a non-satirical manner when arguing against someone's base premise. Just because you don't like what I said doesn't mean that it was wrong. Here you go again. You just said that my position that you were saying that you think Rabbitfolk are dumb and ill-fitted for D&D and are trying to gatekeep them out of the hobby is wrong, and then literally just said that very same thing you said was incorrect for me to say. You just called it "putting words in your mouth" because you don't like what I was saying and wanted to dismiss it out of hand, not because it actually wasn't your position. (Also, no, they're not a "special event" in the default lore of Harengon. They're just a race that lives in the Feywild. You run them, or exclude them, however you want, but don't say stuff like "Bunnypeople are a special event, it makes no sense for them to exist in a world that has Lizardfolk, Catfolk, and Poisonous-Dart-Frogfolk!".) I don't get that at all. I don't understand why or how "Bunny Curse!" is somehow better than "Race of Feywild-Dwelling Anthropomorphic-Rabbits" to you. 1) No one assumed that. They just said that they've existed for editions, so there's a long-running precedent for animalfolk in D&D (it's older than I am). We don't care if you use them, we just care if the premise was a thing that existed, and therefore nullify your claims that D&D doesn't have room for them (thematically or lorewise). 2) We never pretended that, and you're the one suddenly pretending as if the Lizardfolk are the only animalfolk in D&D. There are Catfolk in D&D 5e (in Volo's Guide to Monsters) that has a "Quirks" table that is basically every cat stereotype distilled into a d10 format. There's a race of Poisonous Dart Frog Humanoids that tie a flute-like-instrument to a string and flail it around in order to make a whistling noise to communicate across long-distances. There's a race of Birdfolk that can are mature when they're 3 years old, and have wacky suggested names like "Zeed", "Kleeck", and "Errk". There's even fish-people that have pet Seals and die if they aren't submerged in water every 4 hours. If all of that ridiculousness ([I]which I love[/I]) has a place in D&D, so do Harengon. And let's not for a moment pretend that there's so much of a thematic difference or "tonal shift" between those other types of Animalfolk and Rabbit/Harefolk. (I didn't even mention Kobolds, who are even more ridiculous than basically all of the other types of animalfolk. I mean, seriously, they're tiny lizard-dragon people that worship dragons as gods, are communists, and build elaborate traps and burrows to fool and kill adventurers because they're so physically weak.) (Emphasis mine.) That's your problem right there. Referring to it as "your" D&D. Get the hint, dude. D&D isn't yours. You aren't the arbiter of what gets to and what doesn't get to exist in D&D. You don't get to say things are bad for D&D, because none of us are allowed to do that. It's not even "your" D&D at "your" table. It's the table's D&D. It's personal to the group. Do what you want and include what you want at the table, but don't for a moment pretend like others are wrong for running D&D campaigns that include rabbitfolk. It doesn't hurt you in any way. Just leave it alone and ignore it. You've made it pretty clear that you don't like them by now. You can just drop it. And that's why I said "there's no nuance here". You don't like rabbitfolk, which is fine, no one is forcing you to include them or trying to make you like them, they're just trying to stop you from bagging on them and calling people wrong for using/liking them. There's no nuance to badwrongfun. It's just the same old same old. [/QUOTE]
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