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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mhacdebhandia" data-source="post: 3360622" data-attributes="member: 18832">The mechanical significance of any creature or character in a campaign setting is dependent upon the relative measure of its personal power against the overall power level of the setting.The Forgotten Realms "needs" a CR 66 Demogorgon, where Eberron does not, because it has been well-established that the most powerful heroes and villains in the Forgotten Realms are higher level - and more powerful in other respects: Elminster's status as a Chosen of Mystra, for instance - than heroes and villains in Eberron.If Demogorgon existed in Eberron at a CR 66 level of power, it would completely alter the balance of power in the setting - nothing else which is not enormously restricted in its abilities as are rajahs like Sul Khatesh even approaches that level.More to the point: a CR 23 Demogorgon in Eberron does not damage Demogorgon's status in Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms one whit. There is no Abyss in Eberron, Demogorgon is not the Prince of Demons, and his being killed by a legendary (for Eberron) party of 20th-level adventurers means absolutely nothing for other settings, where he will not be dead.Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss is not an Eberron sourcebook, and the only way one can use it for an Eberron campaign is by heavily and liberally adapting its material to suit the specifics of the Eberron setting. Demogorgon doesn't even canonically exist in Eberron - adaptation notes for the Savage Tide adventure path don't exactly count - but if he did he would have to be different from his Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms versions because those versions have no place in Eberron.I'm putting the cart before the horse? You're the guy claiming that Demogorgon must be the same no matter what setting he appears in, with no regard whatsoever for what would actually be logical and appropriate for each setting. If that's not the tail wagging the dog, I don't know what is.This is exactly why I favour the separation of the settings in Third Edition, Plane of Shadow and other possibilities (which is all they are) notwithstanding. The assumptions and needs of the Forgotten Realms are distinctly different from the needs of every other setting, and there is absolutely no reason why the specific version of a concept in the highest-powered setting should dictate the power level of similar concepts in other settings.</blockquote>

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