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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mhacdebhandia" data-source="post: 3360629" data-attributes="member: 18832">Yeah, it seems I was remembering mostly correctly - Sul Khatesh is a 40-HD creature, but he's not CR 40 or anywhere near it with those divine powers.I want to be clear: I am not personally arguing that any creature in D&D should be unstatted, as Shemeska might argue demon lords and deities should.What I am arguing is simply this: there is no utility in applying the power level assumptions of one setting to all of them. A CR 23 or 36 Demogorgon has a place in Eberron - the place Keith Baker gives him in the Savage Tide conversion notes is perfect - where he would have no place in the Forgotten Realms because he's simply not powerful enough for his supposed role.More than this, individual games within individual settings have different needs. A campaign which explicitly never exceeds 20th level by design doesn't need a CR 36 Demogorgon, which is a challenge the PCs can never hope to survive without DM fiat and deus ex machina; likewise, a level 60+ epic character would wipe that CR 36 Demogorgon out with his sneezes, so if you want Demogorgon to be a formidable opponent for that character and his group you need him to be tougher.Both of these games could be played in Greyhawk.</blockquote>