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<blockquote data-quote="alice_of_ebony" data-source="post: 2067802" data-attributes="member: 7620">Hiya!Can someone check my calculations? I somehow stumbled into working out more reasonable prices for prayer beads (including the infamous prayer bead of karma). None of the SRD prices make sense to me.So, there are 6 different kinds of prayer bead: bless, heal, karma, smite, summons and wind walk. Let's look at them one at a time before we calculate the cost of a set.Bless: Wearer can cast bless. &nbsp; &nbsp; 1/day, slotless, use-activated. &nbsp; &nbsp; CL 1st, cost 1 x 1 x 2000 (use-activated) x 2 (slotless) * 1/5 (1/day) &nbsp; &nbsp; = 800gp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The SRD says 600gp !?Heal: This one is a bit tricky. I have to make up a pricing guideline.&nbsp; &nbsp; Wearer can cast their choice of cure serious wounds (3rd), remove &nbsp; &nbsp; blindness/deafness (3rd), or remove disease (3rd).&nbsp; &nbsp; 1/day, slotless, use-activated&nbsp; &nbsp; For each of the three spells&nbsp; &nbsp; CL 5th, cost 3 x 5 x 2000 x 2 / 5 = 12 000gp&nbsp; &nbsp; How to price the 'choose one of three' effect?&nbsp; &nbsp; Obviously, this is less useful than being able to use three spells 1/day. &nbsp; &nbsp; The multiplier then would be 1 + 0.7 + 0.5 = 2.25.&nbsp; &nbsp; I think it is less useful than being able to use two spells 1/day each, &nbsp; &nbsp; but more useful than one spell 1/day.&nbsp; &nbsp; So the 'usefulness' price multiplier is somewhere between 1 and 2.&nbsp; &nbsp; If you average 1/3 and 1/2 you get 5/12. &nbsp; &nbsp; And multiply that by 3, you get 5/4. Just over 1.&nbsp; &nbsp; Generalise for 'choose 1 of n equal value effects' and I get &nbsp; &nbsp; n x (1/n + 1/(n-1))/2 ==&gt; 2n-1/2n-2. Which is always just over 1. &nbsp; &nbsp; Seems reasonable.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; So 12 000 x 5/4 = 15 000gp.&nbsp; &nbsp; SRD cost 9 000gp.Karma: Aaah, the famous caster level +4.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1/day, slotless, use-activated&nbsp; &nbsp; How to price this?&nbsp; &nbsp; CL 17th, gate&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I took gate from the ankh of ascension (RoF 3.0) requirements. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Righteous might (SRD prayer bead of karma) seems inadequate.&nbsp; &nbsp; An orange ioun stone is caster level +1, slotless (x2), continuous, worth 30k. &nbsp; &nbsp; Which means the +1 caster level there is worth about 15k.&nbsp; &nbsp; Apply the standard 'bonus squared' effect and:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 x 15k / 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =&nbsp; 6 000gp&nbsp; &nbsp; (as ioun stone, but 1/day)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 x 15k x 4 / 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; = 18 000gp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 x 15k x 9 / 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; = 54 000gp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 x 15k x 16 / 5&nbsp;&nbsp; = 96 000gp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; This seems a lot better to me than the 20k SRD pricing.Smite: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wearer can cast chaos hammer (4th), holy smite (4th), order’s wrath (4th), or &nbsp; &nbsp; unholy blight (4th) (Will DC 17 partial)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I could use the pricing guideline from the prayer bead of healing, but I want &nbsp; &nbsp; something different. Not many users will want, or be able, to use all 4 effects. &nbsp; &nbsp; Why not have different prayer beads of smiting use different effects? There &nbsp; &nbsp; could be a chaotic prayer bead of smiting (uses chaos hammer), etc.&nbsp; &nbsp; Much easier to calculate as well <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; CL 7th. Will DC 17 seems about right for a 4th level spell. &nbsp; &nbsp; Base stat 15, plus a level increase, and +1 stat boost item.&nbsp; &nbsp; So 4 x 7 x 2000 x 2 / 5 = 22 400gp&nbsp; &nbsp; SRD cost 16 800gp.Summons: &nbsp; &nbsp; SRD: &nbsp; &nbsp; First of all having this 1/day is excessive. In 1e, at least, I vaguely recall this &nbsp; &nbsp; being a one-time only offer. I like that much better. Intent??&nbsp; &nbsp; SRD requirements: CL 17th, gate. &nbsp; &nbsp; I prefer: CL 15th, greater planar ally. This seems closer to the desired effect. &nbsp; &nbsp; I'll price both.&nbsp; &nbsp; gate (9th)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2 x 9 x 17 x 50 + 5 x 1 000 = 20 300gp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; greater planar ally (8th)&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 x 8 x 15 x 50 + 18 x 500 + 5 x 100 = 21 500gp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SRD cost 20 000gp.Wind Walk: Wearer can cast wind walk (6th). Finally, another simple one. &nbsp; &nbsp; CL 11th, 6 x 11 x 2000 x 2 / 5 = 52 800gp.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; SRD price 46.8kOK, now we can construct the three different strings of prayer beads. A lesser string of prayer beads has 2 beads: bless and heal.Lesser:&nbsp; &nbsp; Bless, Heal&nbsp; &nbsp; [16k + .75 * .8k] = 16 600gp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SRD price 9 600gpA standard string of prayer beads has 3 beads: heal; karma and smite.Standard: Heal, +1 Karma, Smite&nbsp; &nbsp; [22.4k + .75 x 15k + .5 x 6k] = 36 650&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Heal, +2 Karma, Smite&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [22.4k + .75 x 18k + .5 x 15k] = 43 400&nbsp; &nbsp; Heal, +4 Karma, Smite&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [96k + .75 x 22.4k + .5 x 15k] = 120 300I think my standard prayer beads will include a +1 karma bead. For 36 650gp.SRD price (including +4 caster level) 25 800gp.A greater string of prayer beads has 4 beads: heal; karma; summons and wind walk.Greater: Heal, +1 Karma, Summons, Wind Walk [52.8k + .75 x 21.5k + .5 x 15k .5 x 6k] = 79 425&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Heal, +4 Karma, Summons, Wind Walk [96k + .75 x 52.8k + .5 x 21.5k+ .5 x 15k] = 153 850My greater prayer beads will include a +4 karma bead. For 153 850gp.SRD price 95 800gp.So, any thoughts? mistakes, glaring or otherwise?Later,Alice</blockquote>

[QUOTE="alice_of_ebony, post: 2067802, member: 7620"] Hiya! Can someone check my calculations? I somehow stumbled into working out more reasonable prices for [I]prayer beads[/I] (including the infamous [I]prayer bead of karma[/I]). None of the SRD prices make sense to me. So, there are 6 different kinds of prayer bead: bless, heal, karma, smite, summons and wind walk. Let's look at them one at a time before we calculate the cost of a set. [U]Bless[/U]: Wearer can cast [I]bless[/I]. 1/day, slotless, use-activated. CL 1st, cost 1 x 1 x 2000 (use-activated) x 2 (slotless) * 1/5 (1/day) = 800gp The SRD says 600gp !? [U]Heal[/U]: This one is a bit tricky. I have to make up a pricing guideline. Wearer can cast their choice of [I]cure serious wounds[/I] (3rd), [I]remove blindness/deafness[/I] (3rd), or [I]remove disease[/I] (3rd). 1/day, slotless, use-activated For each of the three spells CL 5th, cost 3 x 5 x 2000 x 2 / 5 = 12 000gp How to price the 'choose one of three' effect? Obviously, this is less useful than being able to use three spells 1/day. The multiplier then would be 1 + 0.7 + 0.5 = 2.25. I think it is less useful than being able to use two spells 1/day each, but more useful than one spell 1/day. So the 'usefulness' price multiplier is somewhere between 1 and 2. If you average 1/3 and 1/2 you get 5/12. And multiply that by 3, you get 5/4. Just over 1. Generalise for 'choose 1 of n equal value effects' and I get n x (1/n + 1/(n-1))/2 ==> 2n-1/2n-2. Which is always just over 1. Seems reasonable. So 12 000 x 5/4 = 15 000gp. SRD cost 9 000gp. [U]Karma[/U]: Aaah, the famous caster level +4. 1/day, slotless, use-activated How to price this? CL 17th, [I]gate[/I] I took [I]gate[/I] from the [I]ankh of ascension[/I] (RoF 3.0) requirements. [I]Righteous might[/I] (SRD prayer bead of karma) seems inadequate. An [I]orange ioun stone[/I] is caster level +1, slotless (x2), continuous, worth 30k. Which means the +1 caster level there is worth about 15k. Apply the standard 'bonus squared' effect and: +1 2 x 15k / 5 = 6 000gp (as ioun stone, but 1/day) +2 2 x 15k x 4 / 5 = 18 000gp +3 2 x 15k x 9 / 5 = 54 000gp +4 2 x 15k x 16 / 5 = 96 000gp This seems a lot better to me than the 20k SRD pricing. [U]Smite[/U]: Wearer can cast [I]chaos hammer[/I] (4th), [I]holy smite[/I] (4th), [I]order’s wrath[/I] (4th), or [I]unholy blight[/I] (4th) (Will DC 17 partial) I could use the pricing guideline from the [I]prayer bead of healing[/I], but I want something different. Not many users will want, or be able, to use all 4 effects. Why not have different prayer beads of smiting use different effects? There could be a [I]chaotic prayer bead of smiting[/I] (uses [I]chaos hammer[/I]), etc. Much easier to calculate as well :) CL 7th. Will DC 17 seems about right for a 4th level spell. Base stat 15, plus a level increase, and +1 stat boost item. So 4 x 7 x 2000 x 2 / 5 = 22 400gp SRD cost 16 800gp. [U]Summons[/U]: SRD: First of all having this 1/day is excessive. In 1e, at least, I vaguely recall this being a one-time only offer. I like that much better. Intent?? SRD requirements: CL 17th, [I]gate[/I]. I prefer: CL 15th, [I]greater planar ally[/I]. This seems closer to the desired effect. I'll price both. [I]gate[/I] (9th) 2 x 9 x 17 x 50 + 5 x 1 000 = 20 300gp [I]greater planar ally[/I] (8th) 2 x 8 x 15 x 50 + 18 x 500 + 5 x 100 = 21 500gp SRD cost 20 000gp. [U]Wind Walk[/U]: Wearer can cast [I]wind walk[/I] (6th). Finally, another simple one. CL 11th, 6 x 11 x 2000 x 2 / 5 = 52 800gp. SRD price 46.8k OK, now we can construct the three different strings of prayer beads. A [I]lesser string of prayer beads[/I] has 2 beads: bless and heal. [U]Lesser[/U]: Bless, Heal [16k + .75 * .8k] = 16 600gp SRD price 9 600gp A standard [I]string of prayer beads[/I] has 3 beads: heal; karma and smite. [U]Standard[/U]: Heal, +1 Karma, Smite [22.4k + .75 x 15k + .5 x 6k] = 36 650 Heal, +2 Karma, Smite [22.4k + .75 x 18k + .5 x 15k] = 43 400 Heal, +4 Karma, Smite [96k + .75 x 22.4k + .5 x 15k] = 120 300 I think my standard [I]prayer beads[/I] will include a +1 karma bead. For 36 650gp. SRD price (including +4 caster level) 25 800gp. A [I]greater string of prayer beads[/I] has 4 beads: heal; karma; summons and wind walk. [U]Greater[/U]: Heal, +1 Karma, Summons, Wind Walk [52.8k + .75 x 21.5k + .5 x 15k .5 x 6k] = 79 425 Heal, +4 Karma, Summons, Wind Walk [96k + .75 x 52.8k + .5 x 21.5k+ .5 x 15k] = 153 850 My [I]greater prayer beads[/I] will include a +4 karma bead. For 153 850gp. SRD price 95 800gp. So, any thoughts? mistakes, glaring or otherwise? Later, Alice [/QUOTE]

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