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<blockquote data-quote="gribble" data-source="post: 4946752" data-attributes="member: 12430">I don't think there is a &quot;pro-hole&quot; side of the debate. My information was based on the diagram in the PHB, which seems to be incorrect as per the full rules.So I think we're all in agreement now that there is no hole in a close burst.However, I'll disagree with Jack99 on a RAW interpretation of the effect. By RAW, the druid is absolutely effected by the zones initial attack (and any subsequent attack). I'll agree that RAI, it seems to make sense for the druid to not be effected - it's silly otherwise - but allowing for zones to not effect the creator carte-blanche is a pretty big change to the current ruleset. It significantly powers up existing zone powers (which are generally considered quite powerful already)!Often I've found with 4e that the common-sense interpretation often isn't the correct one and can result in big balance issues.&lt;tangent&gt;It's one of the (many) things I love about the Monsterpocalypse CMG from Privateer Press. In 99% of cases, the common-sense, RAW interpretation is the correct one and the one that results in the least number of balance issues. I wish more games could get that one right...&lt;/tangent&gt;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gribble, post: 4946752, member: 12430"] I don't think there is a "pro-hole" side of the debate. My information was based on the diagram in the PHB, which seems to be incorrect as per the full rules. So I think we're all in agreement now that there is [B]no [/B]hole in a close burst. However, I'll disagree with Jack99 on a RAW interpretation of the effect. By RAW, the druid is absolutely effected by the zones initial attack (and any subsequent attack). I'll agree that RAI, it [B]seems [/B]to make sense for the druid to not be effected - it's silly otherwise - but allowing for zones to not effect the creator carte-blanche is a pretty big change to the current ruleset. It significantly powers up existing zone powers (which are generally considered quite powerful already)! Often I've found with 4e that the [I]common-sense[/I] interpretation often isn't the [I]correct [/I]one and can result in big balance issues. <tangent> It's one of the (many) things I love about the Monsterpocalypse CMG from Privateer Press. In 99% of cases, the common-sense, RAW interpretation is the correct one and the one that results in the least number of balance issues. I wish more games could get that one right... </tangent> [/QUOTE]

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