Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Primogeniture help
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8227117" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I agree with what some others have said that the legal answer can be (i) somewhat arbitrary and (ii) potentially uncertain. Most modern legal systems have scenarios that can't be straightforwardly answered applying the existing legal resources; that will be moreso for pre-modern legal systems which have had less technical work done on them.</p><p></p><p>[USER=6988941]@Benjamin Olson[/USER]'s post obviously gives a good sense of what some of the key considerations are:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">(1) Does the property follow the noble/royal title or is it passing under a separate regime?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">(2) Is the abdication/forfeiture to be treated as equivalent to a death, with the later-born son treated as a son born after a literal death? Or is it a the legal extinguishment of that person's line going forward, so that the later-born son doesn't count as having the correct inheritance?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">(3) If the later-born son is to be passed over in respect of either title or property, what happens next? Is there anyone identifiable with the right inheritance connection by tracing up the line? Does the abdicator act as a "block" to any tracing back up that line? Do the titles and/or property potentially revert to the authority that first granted them? Is the title instead extinguished and the property now (at law) vacant and unowned?</p><p></p><p>You don't even need to decide these things. In the fiction they might be the subject of learned speculation among the leading lawyers of the realm, but the answers may be unsettled or not widely known. (Maybe an ancient digest discussed these matters, but the only remaining copy is with Keraptis in White Plume Mountain!)</p><p></p><p>As long as some of the basic concepts and considerations are laid out clearly enough, I would have thought your RL life lawyer player can run the relevant arguments and (unless there's some countervailing reason you haven't shown us yet) win the day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8227117, member: 42582"] I agree with what some others have said that the legal answer can be (i) somewhat arbitrary and (ii) potentially uncertain. Most modern legal systems have scenarios that can't be straightforwardly answered applying the existing legal resources; that will be moreso for pre-modern legal systems which have had less technical work done on them. [USER=6988941]@Benjamin Olson[/USER]'s post obviously gives a good sense of what some of the key considerations are: [indent](1) Does the property follow the noble/royal title or is it passing under a separate regime? (2) Is the abdication/forfeiture to be treated as equivalent to a death, with the later-born son treated as a son born after a literal death? Or is it a the legal extinguishment of that person's line going forward, so that the later-born son doesn't count as having the correct inheritance? (3) If the later-born son is to be passed over in respect of either title or property, what happens next? Is there anyone identifiable with the right inheritance connection by tracing up the line? Does the abdicator act as a "block" to any tracing back up that line? Do the titles and/or property potentially revert to the authority that first granted them? Is the title instead extinguished and the property now (at law) vacant and unowned?[/indent] You don't even need to decide these things. In the fiction they might be the subject of learned speculation among the leading lawyers of the realm, but the answers may be unsettled or not widely known. (Maybe an ancient digest discussed these matters, but the only remaining copy is with Keraptis in White Plume Mountain!) As long as some of the basic concepts and considerations are laid out clearly enough, I would have thought your RL life lawyer player can run the relevant arguments and (unless there's some countervailing reason you haven't shown us yet) win the day. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Primogeniture help
Top