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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 401546" data-attributes="member: 1325">I said &quot;you run a risk&quot;. We ARE talking averages.If, on average, the party looses 25% &quot;resources&quot; to a Party level CR, then, it implies, that you &quot;risk&quot; a great deal more: the die are fickle. You can suddenly be looking at 50% party &quot;resources&quot; (which isn't just measured in hp either; also spells memorized, potions quaffed, etc). Thus it is not unreasonable to assume Average loss = 25%, expected maximum loss (if things go badly) 1 party member. A fighter is only a Will save away from a CDG... A single die roll. Add in a few other blows to the other characters, and what was a CR7 encounter for a 7th level party seems to have wasted so much resources.For the difficult rating it says &quot;One PC might very well die&quot;, which to me means it is no longer just a risk, but a highly likely event. But that depends on your DM, and your luck. IF what you write is true, then yes, CR12 does seem a tad low. However, remove the access to all arcane spells, and allow only those with the fire descriptor, from the Fire or Sun domain, and it seems much tamer.... Like I said B4: ain't no MMII in this neck of the woods.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="green slime, post: 401546, member: 1325"] I said "you run a risk". We ARE talking averages. If, on average, the party looses 25% "resources" to a Party level CR, then, it implies, that you "risk" a great deal more: the die are fickle. You can suddenly be looking at 50% party "resources" (which isn't just measured in hp either; also spells memorized, potions quaffed, etc). Thus it is not unreasonable to assume Average loss = 25%, expected maximum loss (if things go badly) 1 party member. A fighter is only a Will save away from a CDG... A single die roll. Add in a few other blows to the other characters, and what was a CR7 encounter for a 7th level party seems to have wasted so much resources. For the difficult rating it says "One PC might very well die", which to me means it is no longer just a risk, but a highly likely event. But that depends on your DM, and your luck. IF what you write is true, then yes, CR12 does seem a tad low. However, remove the access to all arcane spells, and allow only those with the fire descriptor, from the Fire or Sun domain, and it seems much tamer.... Like I said B4: ain't no MMII in this neck of the woods. [/QUOTE]

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