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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 5069059" data-attributes="member: 2209"><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" /> Right, all we know is they were not banned, the regulations against them were new after being tipped off about this "gang". I'm not sure what nonbanned policy you are suggesting Muraski plausibly had before hand. Perhaps to secretly observe and keep tabs on any roleplaying groups? Perhaps he had regulated before where RPGs could meet and Singer had flouted these regulations? But this was never mentioned in the cited testimony or the court's recitation of facts so I think that possibility is remote. Something else?I expect not. It looks like the letter was Muraski's first run in with RPGs in prison. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Singer was able to order lots of D&D books and have them delivered openly to his cell. Despite being a convicted murderer with a life sentence and presumably having his incoming stuff searched.He didn't recruit through flyers though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Neither the court decision nor the story talk about flyers, the anonymous letter mentions:We do know a little about the document, it was his 96 page home brew campaign setting.And again, no flyer.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />His testimony was not that anything Singer's group was doing was different than any other D&D group or that they actually posed a threat. He said D&D in general promotes X which can lead to problems. His testimony was not that there was a new problem posed by Singer's gang, it was that RPGs are a threat issue in prison, period. If so and RPGs had never been an issue before then wouldn't it be because he hadn't dealt with them before?This is a good reason IMO to assume he didn't have direct experience with them before the incident.If there was something from this particular group and the search and potential interviews that was relevant to support the ban which was being constitutionally challenged in court I would expect him to testify about that and the court to comment on the issue.Since there was no such cited testimony I expect there was none.It looks like all they found was D&D books and guys playing D&D.This leads me to believe this was Murkaski's first dealing with RPGs in prison.This leads me back to wondering the basis for his conclusion.Extrapolating from other somewhat analogous things prisoners do that he has had experience with (reading fantasy, theatre/improv, video games(?), board games, chess, competitive sports, gambling, writing fantasy, movies, TV, anything with a referee, judge, or leader, etc.)?His gut evaluation based on his background in security through the lens of years of focusing on and dealing with gangs and cults?His gut view of RPGs?Information on RPGs from other groups?Actual studies?Standards and practices at other prisons?Something personal with Singer?</blockquote>

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