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<blockquote data-quote="QuentinGeorge" data-source="post: 8070303" data-attributes="member: 20990">If you are including orc women and children and villages you have already strongly departed from the idea of a &quot;proper Tolkien-based campaign&quot;. And killing without remorse is something that to Tolkien would see as making you an &quot;orc&quot;, rather than a righteous cause to be pursued. But we are talking D&amp;D here, not Tolkien. Where is the text stating that orcs are creating soul-less creatures? Every source, from OD&amp;D onwards describes orcs as an&nbsp; race of humanoids.Rubbish. That would preclude a lawful good elf. Was this impossible in 1st edition? No. It would also preclude Nilonim, who as neutral with &quot;good tendencies&quot; is more than 1 step away from &quot;chaotic evil&quot; on the alignment spectrum. In an adventure written by Gygax. Interesting, but irrelevant to the topic, as they are clearly more of a demon than the clearly humanoid orcs.Great. But I'm not asking about your homebrew.Yes, neutral. So non-evil.(and again, we are discussing D&amp;D, not Warhammer)pemerton is correct, a lot of this seems to be your own interpretation rather than anything written into the text.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="QuentinGeorge, post: 8070303, member: 20990"] If you are including orc women and children and villages you have already strongly departed from the idea of a "proper Tolkien-based campaign". And killing without remorse is something that to Tolkien would see as making you an "orc", rather than a righteous cause to be pursued. But we are talking D&D here, not Tolkien. Where is the text stating that orcs are creating soul-less creatures? Every source, from OD&D onwards describes orcs as an race of humanoids. Rubbish. That would preclude a lawful good elf. Was this impossible in 1st edition? No. It would also preclude Nilonim, who as neutral with "good tendencies" is more than 1 step away from "chaotic evil" on the alignment spectrum. In an adventure written by Gygax. Interesting, but irrelevant to the topic, as they are clearly more of a demon than the clearly humanoid orcs. Great. But I'm not asking about your homebrew. Yes, neutral. So non-evil. (and again, we are discussing D&D, not Warhammer) pemerton is correct, a lot of this seems to be your own interpretation rather than anything written into the text. [/QUOTE]

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