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<blockquote data-quote="argo" data-source="post: 1347279" data-attributes="member: 5752">Is the _character_ a problem or is the _player_ a problem?&nbsp; Because the two are verry different things.If the only issue is that the _character_ is the greatest burgular of his age then my advice is not to sweat it too much.&nbsp; It sounds like he has poured a significant ammount (if not all) of his character resources into this one trick and you should let him enjoy it.&nbsp; Instead of trying to think of ways to stop his sneaking focus on challenging his weakness.&nbsp; Try to put him in a situation where he can't rely on the other party members to aid him but he still has to fight to acomplish his goals. Example: I am playing in an OA game right now where the party ninja is so good we took to calling him invsi-ninja.&nbsp; I estimate that his hide/move silent bonuses are somewhere in the 25-30 range at 7th level!&nbsp; Then came the day that some rival ninjas came calling and the player of invsi-ninja looks down at his poor, neglected spot/listen scores.&nbsp; He turns to the rest of the party with this forlorn look on his face and says &quot;sorry guys.&nbsp; I'm a ninja, not a counter-ninja.&quot;&nbsp; We then proceded to get our rears handed to us.&nbsp; Two sessions later we are surrounded by some stone golems and he looks at his measly 40 hp and again says to us &quot;sorry guys.&nbsp; I'm a ninja, I sneak around and kill things, one good hit and I'm toast.&quot;&nbsp; The moral?&nbsp; Specalist characters are a lot of fun to play.&nbsp; Let them do that voodo that the do so well and then throw something at the party that they can't handle (but, hopefully, someone else can) to remind them that they aren't superman.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="argo, post: 1347279, member: 5752"] Is the _character_ a problem or is the _player_ a problem? Because the two are verry different things. If the only issue is that the _character_ is the greatest burgular of his age then my advice is not to sweat it too much. It sounds like he has poured a significant ammount (if not all) of his character resources into this one trick and you should let him enjoy it. Instead of trying to think of ways to stop his sneaking focus on challenging his weakness. Try to put him in a situation where he can't rely on the other party members to aid him but he still has to fight to acomplish his goals. Example: I am playing in an OA game right now where the party ninja is so good we took to calling him invsi-ninja. I estimate that his hide/move silent bonuses are somewhere in the 25-30 range at 7th level! Then came the day that some rival ninjas came calling and the player of invsi-ninja looks down at his poor, neglected spot/listen scores. He turns to the rest of the party with this forlorn look on his face and says "sorry guys. I'm a ninja, not a counter-ninja." We then proceded to get our rears handed to us. Two sessions later we are surrounded by some stone golems and he looks at his measly 40 hp and again says to us "sorry guys. I'm a ninja, I sneak around and kill things, one good hit and I'm toast." The moral? Specalist characters are a lot of fun to play. Let them do that voodo that the do so well and then throw something at the party that they can't handle (but, hopefully, someone else can) to remind them that they aren't superman. [/QUOTE]

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