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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 4046835" data-attributes="member: 704">I suppose a lot of this depends on perspective.&nbsp; I freely admit that many of my suggestions are not what I would call good ideas.&nbsp; All of them are made under the pretext that the situation has evolved to a point where the suggestions that make the most sense are not going to be taken.&nbsp; If your DM sucks, you either step up yourself or find a new game.&nbsp; But that is not always an option for whatever reason, especially when the situation has evolved to the point where it is turned into a thread on an internet message board.&nbsp; By that point, I am pretty sure that talking it out has either failed or is just not going to be tried.&nbsp; To my mind, the game is broken.&nbsp; One or more people in the situation is just not inclined to be reasonable.If you as a player have a bad DM, and your not willing to leave the game, and either will not or can not take over as DM, something has got to give.&nbsp; Leaving mid game is absolutely an escalation and in many cases is not a reasonable response.&nbsp; But by that point, it is no longer a reasonable situation either.&nbsp; You can try to pretend it is, but that wont work out very well.&nbsp; The end point of all of the suggestions I have given is that the game in the form that you find unacceptible ends.&nbsp; Either your DM makes the changes you need, or you get kicked out, or you become the DM, or you start to actually enjoy messing with your DM.Above all else, the Rule Omega of D&amp;D is that it is meant to be fun.&nbsp; If you are not having fun, your doing it wrong.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Zardoz, post: 4046835, member: 704"] I suppose a lot of this depends on perspective. I freely admit that many of my suggestions are not what I would call good ideas. All of them are made under the pretext that the situation has evolved to a point where the suggestions that make the most sense are not going to be taken. If your DM sucks, you either step up yourself or find a new game. But that is not always an option for whatever reason, especially when the situation has evolved to the point where it is turned into a thread on an internet message board. By that point, I am pretty sure that talking it out has either failed or is just not going to be tried. To my mind, the game is broken. One or more people in the situation is just not inclined to be reasonable. If you as a player have a bad DM, and your not willing to leave the game, and either will not or can not take over as DM, something has got to give. Leaving mid game is absolutely an escalation and in many cases is not a reasonable response. But by that point, it is no longer a reasonable situation either. You can try to pretend it is, but that wont work out very well. The end point of all of the suggestions I have given is that the game in the form that you find unacceptible ends. Either your DM makes the changes you need, or you get kicked out, or you become the DM, or you start to actually enjoy messing with your DM. Above all else, the Rule Omega of D&D is that it is meant to be fun. If you are not having fun, your doing it wrong. END COMMUNICATION [/QUOTE]

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