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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 5234959" data-attributes="member: 1210">So why do the other characters hang out with him?Not the PLAYERS, the CHARACTERS? If a member of the party doesn't help out, they should kick him out of the party. And if the guy's new pc won't help out, they should kick him out of the party... after one or two combats. They're looking for help, not a treasure tax.Since you've already spoken to the player and he blew the group's concerns off, I'd sit down with him and give him a short &quot;this-is-how-it-is&quot;, too. Let him know that the discussion before didn't do much good so you're trying again, but that if the problem persists, you will solve it in the only other way you can- by booting him. Point out that he's been skirting the edge for a long time, so doing the least amount possible to gain xp (or whatever) is not enough. Give him a fair appraisal at the end of each session, but if he hasn't shown marked improvement after the second one, I'd let him him know- next game is strike three unless he hits a home run.And this is the most important part: Follow through. If he doesn't come around to a playstyle that fits better with your group, boot him. Don't let whining or bitching dissuade you: if you don't boot him, everyone is going to have less fun. Let him know it's nothing personal, it's for the good of the group, and that you still want to hang out with him- you just don't want to game with him anymore. If you do not follow through, though, you will lose a great deal of credibility with these guys.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 5234959, member: 1210"] So why do the other characters hang out with him? Not the PLAYERS, the CHARACTERS? If a member of the party doesn't help out, they should kick him out of the party. And if the guy's new pc won't help out, they should kick him out of the party... [i]after one or two combats.[/i] They're looking for help, not a treasure tax. Since you've already spoken to the player and he blew the group's concerns off, I'd sit down with him and give him a short "this-is-how-it-is", too. Let him know that the discussion before didn't do much good so you're trying again, but that if the problem persists, you will solve it in the only other way you can- by booting him. Point out that he's been skirting the edge for a long time, so doing the least amount possible to gain xp (or whatever) [i]is not enough.[/i] Give him a fair appraisal at the end of each session, but if he hasn't shown marked improvement after the second one, I'd let him him know- next game is strike three unless he hits a home run. And this is the most important part: [b]Follow through.[/b] If he doesn't come around to a playstyle that fits better with your group, [i]boot him.[/i] Don't let whining or bitching dissuade you: if you don't boot him, everyone is going to have less fun. Let him know it's nothing personal, it's for the good of the group, and that you still want to hang out with him- you just don't want to game with him anymore. If you do not follow through, though, you will lose a great deal of credibility with these guys. [/QUOTE]

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