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<blockquote data-quote="ZombieRoboNinja" data-source="post: 4263494" data-attributes="member: 54843">Well, first off, the changes to the way magic works are not retroactive in those campaign worlds. Elminster USED to be uber-powerful, but then Mystra got killed (again) and there was a Spellplague and now he's not a demigod anymore. It'll all be in the FR novels and sourcebook coming out soon. Dragonlance will probably go into the Forty-Seventh Age in order to account for the 4e conversion too.Also, let's not forget that Elminster in 3e had all sorts of wacky prestige classes, and in the DL novels Raistlin became powerful enough to challenge the creator gods. They're hardly out-of-the-book wizard characters.If the question is more generally, &quot;how does a wizard become crazy powerful in 4e?&quot; the answer is simple: he levels up and faces a lot of minions and lower-level enemies. Heck, if Raistlin was level 29 in 4e he could cast Legion's Hold and kill every minion in a 100 foot radius. The difference is, now a level 29 fighter can do equally wacky stuff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZombieRoboNinja, post: 4263494, member: 54843"] Well, first off, the changes to the way magic works are not retroactive in those campaign worlds. Elminster USED to be uber-powerful, but then Mystra got killed (again) and there was a Spellplague and now he's not a demigod anymore. It'll all be in the FR novels and sourcebook coming out soon. Dragonlance will probably go into the Forty-Seventh Age in order to account for the 4e conversion too. Also, let's not forget that Elminster in 3e had all sorts of wacky prestige classes, and in the DL novels Raistlin became powerful enough to challenge the creator gods. They're hardly out-of-the-book wizard characters. If the question is more generally, "how does a wizard become crazy powerful in 4e?" the answer is simple: he levels up and faces a lot of minions and lower-level enemies. Heck, if Raistlin was level 29 in 4e he could cast Legion's Hold and kill every minion in a 100 foot radius. The difference is, now a level 29 fighter can do equally wacky stuff. [/QUOTE]

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