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<blockquote data-quote="Gerion of Mercadia" data-source="post: 3465744" data-attributes="member: 50527">Voidmind template means Illithid Master can &quot;jump into&quot; the war troll from a considerable distance - making the troll the &quot;caster&quot; if you will.&nbsp; The link is darn near instantaneous over a tactical distance measured in miles.&nbsp; We are bound and determined to whack all three of these BBEG;The buffed war trolls are BBEG Mind flayers x3 &quot;bodies&quot; to use while attacking party...I am looking at not 1, not 2, but THREE mindflayers here... much ugliness. 1 Clerical, 1 Wizard, and Probably 1 Sorcerer - probably all of whom are caster level 16-20Dramatically reducing the number of bodies available is going to be of critical importance.The problem is that we do NOT want to be engaging these guys in a war of attrition.&nbsp; The War trolls have been moving largely in pairs, and we suspect these suckers have got at LEAST a couple dozen available, not to mention that most of the &quot;local riff raff&quot; can be raided for undead nasties.Only way party thinks the Mind Flayers are coming out to fight personally is if we knock off the War Trolls.&nbsp; Ambushing isn't THAT hard... the problem is keeping the things dead.Suffocation seems to be option number 1 -What we REALLY need is something other than suffocating them that doesn't involve magic;Recapping1. Suffocation - good<s>2. Death Effects</s><s>3. Disintegrate</s><s>4. Implosion</s><s>5. Baleful Polymorph</s><s>6. Trollbane</s><s>7. Greymantle</s>all but 2 involve Magic... and 6 isn't in the Core books available.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gerion of Mercadia, post: 3465744, member: 50527"] Voidmind template means Illithid Master can "jump into" the war troll from a considerable distance - making the troll the "caster" if you will. The link is darn near instantaneous over a tactical distance measured in miles. We are bound and determined to whack all three of these BBEG; The buffed war trolls are BBEG Mind flayers x3 "bodies" to use while attacking party... I am looking at not 1, not 2, but THREE mindflayers here... much ugliness. 1 Clerical, 1 Wizard, and Probably 1 Sorcerer - probably all of whom are caster level 16-20 Dramatically reducing the number of bodies available is going to be of critical importance. The problem is that we do NOT want to be engaging these guys in a war of attrition. The War trolls have been moving largely in pairs, and we suspect these suckers have got at LEAST a couple dozen available, not to mention that most of the "local riff raff" can be raided for undead nasties. Only way party thinks the Mind Flayers are coming out to fight personally is if we knock off the War Trolls. Ambushing isn't THAT hard... the problem is keeping the things dead. Suffocation seems to be option number 1 - What we REALLY need is something other than suffocating them that doesn't involve magic; Recapping 1. Suffocation - good [s]2. Death Effects 3. Disintegrate 4. Implosion 5. Baleful Polymorph 6. Trollbane 7. Greymantle[/s] all but 2 involve Magic... and 6 isn't in the Core books available. [/QUOTE]

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