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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 412195" data-attributes="member: 151">There are definitely some issues within the gaming group that need to be addressed, one way or the other.  The original poster's description of the situation certainly paints the wizard's player as the less mature, but we have little information to be certain, and neither of the involved parties are here, so we're forced to speculate. Here are the facts as I think I understand them:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Bard has been in the game since 1st level at the Sunless Citadel.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> The Wizard's player has changed characters (possibly more than once) for metagaming reasons.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Bard, during the course of adventuring, found a Ring of Wizardry I, which at that point in time, was an item of use mostly to him (as the sorceror had changed to a FTR/MNK, and only later became a wizard)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The second player created a new character, a wizard, after deciding he'd made some mistakes making his FTR/MNK, by making him a FTR/MNK/PAL and incurring an xp penalty.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The wizard's player demanded that the bard's player give his character the ring of wizardry, since he felt he could use it better (presumably because of his larger spell list).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The bard's player refused to release his magic item, without at least an offer of trade or purchase, which the wizard outright refused.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The wizard's player took this as a slight, and henceforth refused to offer any of his spells or abilities to the bard, while continuing to offer such services to the rest of the party.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The author of this thread is concerned that this lack of party cooperation will surely result the party's doom</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Judging by the spells mentioned on the wizard's list, the players are at least 7th level, presumably 8th-10th</li> </ul>All right, then.  First off, let's identify the issues at hand.The wizard's motivation seems to be of a min/maxing nature.  His player feels that his character is entitled to the ring, as he feels he could use it better, perhaps even feeling that it is wasted on the bard.  Originally, he demanded the ring, was denied, and then spitefully decided to act as if the bard wasn't a member of the party.  Such a dramatic rift will cause the party to fail, sooner or later, especially if the bard's player reciprocates.No one is entitled to a magic item from anyone.  This works both ways.  The wizard is sacrificing xp to make items, and the bard is no more entitled to such benefits than the wizard is to the ring.  The bard could have taken item creation feats, if he desired.  If the wizard truly wanted the ring, he should have offered renumeration for it.   Let's remember, we're talking about a 20,000 g.p. item, here.  One question is this: are the other players just getting this items for free?  I suspect they're at least paying with their share of the gold, and then the wizard has volunteered to suck up the xp.  Of course, depending on the items in question, this may not be a huge sacrifice at the levels in question.  Giving up 160 xp for a Gauntlet of Ogre Power of Gloves of Dexterity +2 is not a huge sacrifice at 8th level.  The wizard, a newcomer to the adventuring party, appears to have walked up and demanded an item from another group members inventory (an item which would require him to be 13th level and cost 800 xp to manufacture himself).  That's a pretty significant itme to just hand over.Regardless, the wizard's short sightedness will result in problems.  Since it sounds like the wizard is the chief spellcaster of the group, his buffs are essential to the party's survival.  Denying them to one of the party members seems petty and vindictive, and not really in the party's best interest.  It comes across like the wizard's player is complaining that the bard's player isn't maximizing the party, and then cripples the party in a fit of pique to prove it.  This may not be the case, but that's how it appears on the surface.As to the ring itself, it's value to the party depends on the group and the challenge it faces.  Four extra magic missles may be more effective, or three extra Cure Light Wounds might be better.  Depending on the characters and situations, either might be good.  If everyone agrees, than the bard could offer the item up, but he deserves reimbursement of some form.   The wizard supposedly refuses to do so, which perplexes me.  If a sorceror or wizard with a higher INT arrived on the scene, with an additional slot, would he willingly give the ring up to him?  I tend to doubt it.The DM should be taking steps to address this issue.  The DM and party should discuss, either in whole or in parts, if this is percieved as a serious problem or not.  If the Dm and other players feel this player is being intentionally disruptive, and robbing the game of it's enjoyment, then they need to approach the other player (again, in group or parts) and tactfully put forth the issues and some solutions.  The goal is to have fun, and that goal no longer appears to be being served.</blockquote>

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