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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2447988" data-attributes="member: 17296"><p>Well, let's look at your dictionary definitions here for my answer</p><p></p><p>"1. An invisible breath, emanation, or radiation."</p><p></p><p>Except, of course, it's not invisible if you use the AS spell...</p><p></p><p>"2. A distinctive but intangible quality that seems to surround a person or thing"</p><p></p><p>And it's not intangible with the AS spell. So a tangible quality surrounding a thing. That sounds like an outline to me. Shoot man, if you go to a shooting gallery and use the target that 'looks' like a person all you're shooting at is an outline. A virtual aura, if you will. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not at all. First of all, you see their outlines. Or, depending on your definition of aura, you might be seeing just a tangible glow from exactly where they are (most likely, really, an outline around an otherwise invisible creature would come across as a filled out glowing blob with the dimentions of the creature). If research the biology of the eye, you'll discover that (current) medical science has determined that the eye frequently only sees outlines, and fills in the rest.</p><p></p><p>Second it doesn't seem odd in that neither does the invisibility spell meantion it overcoming the AS spell (I agree that's something that really should have been covered). Since niether is covered, however, as a default RAW ruling you have to go with what's said, and the AS spell clearly states that it allows you to SEE the location of the magicked creature.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nothing in the Invisibility spell says it negates Arcane Sight's ability to locate the 'invisible' creature. There's <strong>YOUR</strong> RAW answer!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But you CAN see them. That's why it's Arcane <em>Sight</em> and not Arcane <em>Detection</em>. </p><p></p><p>Anyhow. I originally gave how I would rule. Someone asked "why". You asked "Where are people coming up with the "negates invisibility" talk?". I answered. My 'house-rule' was pretty much what yours is. I simply acknowledge that it's a house-rule. And I can see 'why' of things. There's the 'why' as I understand it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 2447988, member: 17296"] Well, let's look at your dictionary definitions here for my answer "1. An invisible breath, emanation, or radiation." Except, of course, it's not invisible if you use the AS spell... "2. A distinctive but intangible quality that seems to surround a person or thing" And it's not intangible with the AS spell. So a tangible quality surrounding a thing. That sounds like an outline to me. Shoot man, if you go to a shooting gallery and use the target that 'looks' like a person all you're shooting at is an outline. A virtual aura, if you will. Not at all. First of all, you see their outlines. Or, depending on your definition of aura, you might be seeing just a tangible glow from exactly where they are (most likely, really, an outline around an otherwise invisible creature would come across as a filled out glowing blob with the dimentions of the creature). If research the biology of the eye, you'll discover that (current) medical science has determined that the eye frequently only sees outlines, and fills in the rest. Second it doesn't seem odd in that neither does the invisibility spell meantion it overcoming the AS spell (I agree that's something that really should have been covered). Since niether is covered, however, as a default RAW ruling you have to go with what's said, and the AS spell clearly states that it allows you to SEE the location of the magicked creature. Nothing in the Invisibility spell says it negates Arcane Sight's ability to locate the 'invisible' creature. There's [b]YOUR[/b] RAW answer! But you CAN see them. That's why it's Arcane [i]Sight[/i] and not Arcane [i]Detection[/i]. Anyhow. I originally gave how I would rule. Someone asked "why". You asked "Where are people coming up with the "negates invisibility" talk?". I answered. My 'house-rule' was pretty much what yours is. I simply acknowledge that it's a house-rule. And I can see 'why' of things. There's the 'why' as I understand it. [/QUOTE]
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