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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1644199" data-attributes="member: 707">Rolled initiative does not necessarily mean that combat is joined.&nbsp; In the PH Lidda has a showdown in a dark alley, where both participants spend rounds sizing each other up, even after initiative has been rolled.&nbsp; As far as the term goes in relation to Fascinate, I'd say combat has not been joined until one side or the other moves to attack.I don't see a problem with the party buffing themselves while the the BBEG is Fascinated.&nbsp; Casting Bull's Strength is not a hostile action in and of itself.&nbsp; But once the party starts moving to surround him, I'd give him a new save.I'd let the bard try this.&nbsp; In order to pull it off he needs to have a high initiative, and face a single enemy, who then has to fail a save.&nbsp; It's restricted enough that I'd let the bard be the hero of the encounter.&nbsp; I mean, really, are we actually talking about nerfing the bard?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1644199, member: 707"] Rolled initiative does not necessarily mean that combat is joined. In the PH Lidda has a showdown in a dark alley, where both participants spend rounds sizing each other up, even after initiative has been rolled. As far as the term goes in relation to [i]Fascinate[/i], I'd say combat has not been joined until one side or the other moves to attack. I don't see a problem with the party buffing themselves while the the BBEG is [i]Fascinated[/i]. Casting [i]Bull's Strength[/i] is not a hostile action in and of itself. But once the party starts moving to surround him, I'd give him a new save. I'd let the bard try this. In order to pull it off he needs to have a high initiative, and face a single enemy, who then has to fail a save. It's restricted enough that I'd let the bard be the hero of the encounter. I mean, really, are we actually talking about nerfing the [i]bard[/i]? [/QUOTE]

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