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<blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1645802" data-attributes="member: 13098">If the potential target has no ranks in spellcraft, then I base their presumption on general experience.&nbsp; If you are dealing with somebody that has only ever had healing spells cast on them, they will have a different perception of the threat potential of a spell than somebody that regularly gets fried by fireballs.&nbsp; In many cases, magic is frightening and many people assume that if you are casting spells at them, you intend to harm them.&nbsp; In this case, if the target were fascinated, I would apply the -4 to the spellcraft check, as well as the -4 to other checks such as spot and listen.&nbsp; If the target recognizes the spell, then he will make his assumptions based on what he knows of the spell and the person casting it.&nbsp; If the target has any hostile experience with magic, and does not recognize the spell, then he is going to assume hostile intent.If the target knows the PC's, and has any inkling of why the PC's are there, then there is likely to be an assumption of hostility no matter what they might be casting.&nbsp; I do not consider this to be nerfing the bard at all.&nbsp; It was a clever idea, but in my opinion, the rest of the party blew it.&nbsp; They didn't try to hide while they buffed up?&nbsp; They didn't take any precautions to keep the opponent from trying to ascertain their intentions?&nbsp; This is just silly and I would be torqued to have my allies undermine my efforts in that manner.&nbsp; And yes, I have RP'd out a similar situation where I actually managed to disengage with a red dragon so we could safely retreat.&nbsp; That is, until the ranger decided he had to use that opportunity to shoot the dragon with an arrow, thus negating all my hard work to save our hides from an otherwise disasterous situation.&nbsp; It was some cool RP, but my character was quite upset.&nbsp; The RP efforts of the other PC were in-character, and did not help resolve the situation.&nbsp; But, to this day, my character does not completely trust the other PC.&nbsp; It was cool RP and an interesting development.&nbsp; Mostly, I think it came out of the player just spacing out the conversation we had a month earlier on different tactics we could use and what not to do in some situations.&nbsp; But, it made for a cool in-game moment.I'm off track.&nbsp; My point is that the idea was interesting and could have been successful if executed in a different manner.&nbsp; But, as presented, I would not have allowed it to have as much success as it did.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BSF, post: 1645802, member: 13098"] If the potential target has no ranks in spellcraft, then I base their presumption on general experience. If you are dealing with somebody that has only ever had healing spells cast on them, they will have a different perception of the threat potential of a spell than somebody that regularly gets fried by fireballs. In many cases, magic is frightening and many people assume that if you are casting spells at them, you intend to harm them. In this case, if the target were fascinated, I would apply the -4 to the spellcraft check, as well as the -4 to other checks such as spot and listen. If the target recognizes the spell, then he will make his assumptions based on what he knows of the spell and the person casting it. If the target has any hostile experience with magic, and does not recognize the spell, then he is going to assume hostile intent. If the target knows the PC's, and has any inkling of why the PC's are there, then there is likely to be an assumption of hostility no matter what they might be casting. I do not consider this to be nerfing the bard at all. It was a clever idea, but in my opinion, the rest of the party blew it. They didn't try to hide while they buffed up? They didn't take any precautions to keep the opponent from trying to ascertain their intentions? This is just silly and I would be torqued to have my allies undermine my efforts in that manner. And yes, I have RP'd out a similar situation where I actually managed to disengage with a red dragon so we could safely retreat. That is, until the ranger decided he had to use that opportunity to shoot the dragon with an arrow, thus negating all my hard work to save our hides from an otherwise disasterous situation. It was some cool RP, but my character was quite upset. The RP efforts of the other PC were in-character, and did not help resolve the situation. But, to this day, my character does not completely trust the other PC. It was cool RP and an interesting development. Mostly, I think it came out of the player just spacing out the conversation we had a month earlier on different tactics we could use and what not to do in some situations. But, it made for a cool in-game moment. I'm off track. My point is that the idea was interesting and could have been successful if executed in a different manner. But, as presented, I would not have allowed it to have as much success as it did. [/QUOTE]

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