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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 2936291" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>Ruleslawyer, I do suspect you have actually read critical posts on forums about individual's problems with Iron Heroes. Of course, if somebody has major issues with the system, that likely deters them from playing it, which in turn means they can conveniently be dismissed out of hand for their merely theoretical perspective. So I can point out the potential problems with russian roulette, but my "facts" are just meaningless conjecture next to someone who's actually played it several times and insists it's a great game for the family. Here's the thing though: what's not a problem for you and a bunch of people you know might be a big big problem for someone else. Personally, I've been willing to try it, but there's a resounding lack of interest from my fellow gamers.</p><p></p><p>As for pointing out specific things, we all know where that goes: nowhere...very slowly. It's just inviting an arguement. I doubt it would be anything you haven't heard before, and you are locked and loaded with your rebuttals, which means a lot of back-and-forth about how it's not really a problem, or it's easily house-ruled away, or how D&D is just as bad or worse in that respect, yadda yadda yadda. It goes nowhere and the bickering doesn't help the OP (having gotten the arguement out of my system back when we didn't have the truckload of errata, it doesn't really help me either). You know I'm right; if I'm the millionth guy to bring up how lame the ability to make arrow ladders is, do you just let it lie?</p><p></p><p>My issues may not be problems for you, and they may not turn out to be problems for the OP. So as fun as it sounds to knock a chip off a shoulder, all signs point to my original comment being the most helpful for the OP and any other curious parties: take the plunge and check it out on his own. It's a good read for crunch-hounds at the very least.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 2936291, member: 8158"] Ruleslawyer, I do suspect you have actually read critical posts on forums about individual's problems with Iron Heroes. Of course, if somebody has major issues with the system, that likely deters them from playing it, which in turn means they can conveniently be dismissed out of hand for their merely theoretical perspective. So I can point out the potential problems with russian roulette, but my "facts" are just meaningless conjecture next to someone who's actually played it several times and insists it's a great game for the family. Here's the thing though: what's not a problem for you and a bunch of people you know might be a big big problem for someone else. Personally, I've been willing to try it, but there's a resounding lack of interest from my fellow gamers. As for pointing out specific things, we all know where that goes: nowhere...very slowly. It's just inviting an arguement. I doubt it would be anything you haven't heard before, and you are locked and loaded with your rebuttals, which means a lot of back-and-forth about how it's not really a problem, or it's easily house-ruled away, or how D&D is just as bad or worse in that respect, yadda yadda yadda. It goes nowhere and the bickering doesn't help the OP (having gotten the arguement out of my system back when we didn't have the truckload of errata, it doesn't really help me either). You know I'm right; if I'm the millionth guy to bring up how lame the ability to make arrow ladders is, do you just let it lie? My issues may not be problems for you, and they may not turn out to be problems for the OP. So as fun as it sounds to knock a chip off a shoulder, all signs point to my original comment being the most helpful for the OP and any other curious parties: take the plunge and check it out on his own. It's a good read for crunch-hounds at the very least. [/QUOTE]
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