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<blockquote data-quote="nevin" data-source="post: 8126521" data-attributes="member: 7024481">pathfinder fixes for everything are cumbersome because they view everything a player does to thier benefit to be cheating.&nbsp; I think the key with Polymorph is that no special abilities.&nbsp; Dm's myself included tend to let things they shouldn't slip by.&nbsp; Physical stats become the creature, so taking your big fighter with a st of 24, and an AC of 25&nbsp; and turning him into a wolf doesn't make him a wolf with a 24 st and a 25 AC.&nbsp;&nbsp; Mental stats I'd leave the same.&nbsp; If you are a cat you shouldn't get the natural abilities that animal's learn when growin up..&nbsp; If your a wolf you don't get trip, you didn't grow up with the pack they didn't teach it too you.&nbsp;&nbsp; Other than movement abilities and normal perception abilities ,&nbsp; because it would just be asinine to tell the character in raven form they can't fly, or in bat form they can't see with sonar.&nbsp; &nbsp; No Rake for big cats, no grapple for bears etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you take a humanoid form you know the weapons you know.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now with shapechange you get those abilities but it's a 9th level spell I don't see a problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nevin, post: 8126521, member: 7024481"] pathfinder fixes for everything are cumbersome because they view everything a player does to thier benefit to be cheating. I think the key with Polymorph is that no special abilities. Dm's myself included tend to let things they shouldn't slip by. Physical stats become the creature, so taking your big fighter with a st of 24, and an AC of 25 and turning him into a wolf doesn't make him a wolf with a 24 st and a 25 AC. Mental stats I'd leave the same. If you are a cat you shouldn't get the natural abilities that animal's learn when growin up.. If your a wolf you don't get trip, you didn't grow up with the pack they didn't teach it too you. Other than movement abilities and normal perception abilities , because it would just be asinine to tell the character in raven form they can't fly, or in bat form they can't see with sonar. No Rake for big cats, no grapple for bears etc. If you take a humanoid form you know the weapons you know. Now with shapechange you get those abilities but it's a 9th level spell I don't see a problem. [/QUOTE]

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