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<blockquote data-quote="hastur_nz" data-source="post: 7148586" data-attributes="member: 40592">Fighting a water creature in its natural environment is MEANT to be a tough challenge.&nbsp; I was a player in Forge of Fury back in 3.0 days, and the fight against the Black Dragon is meant to be a pain in the butt for the players, and it's meant to be the cornerstone BBEG encounter.&nbsp; We were suitable challenged, and it was very memorable in terms of how the various players tried (and mostly failed) to deal with it.&nbsp; So no offense to anyone's players if they flipped out on this, but honestly, they need to grow a pair and deal with it as the challenge it's intended to be.&nbsp; Now I've not run HSoT, but I have read it cover to cover (AD&amp;D and 5e versions), and I think that what was described here was good on the DM's part, captured the essence of the encounter and logically it makes a lot of sense, just not so much on the players part (seems they lacked somewhat in imagination), but I guess that's partly the difference between a home game and AP too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hastur_nz, post: 7148586, member: 40592"] Fighting a water creature in its natural environment is MEANT to be a tough challenge. I was a player in Forge of Fury back in 3.0 days, and the fight against the Black Dragon is meant to be a pain in the butt for the players, and it's meant to be the cornerstone BBEG encounter. We were suitable challenged, and it was very memorable in terms of how the various players tried (and mostly failed) to deal with it. So no offense to anyone's players if they flipped out on this, but honestly, they need to grow a pair and deal with it as the challenge it's intended to be. Now I've not run HSoT, but I have read it cover to cover (AD&D and 5e versions), and I think that what was described here was good on the DM's part, captured the essence of the encounter and logically it makes a lot of sense, just not so much on the players part (seems they lacked somewhat in imagination), but I guess that's partly the difference between a home game and AP too. [/QUOTE]

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