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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6609844" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Okay. In that case, I feel justified in saying: There's more than a small amount of irony in the argument you're making. Specifically...This sounds literally exactly the same as the arguments I've heard, and even made myself, to people saying that 4e classes were "samey." That is, the difference is borne out through play experience rather than through reading. So...I can't help but see a significant irony there, telling 4e fans that the differences ARE "academic and meaningless," but the NEW differences in 5e are very meaningful.To actually tackle this in a way amenable to discussion, rather than simply pointing out something I find almost painfully ironic...What would you say it is that a Sorcerer can do that a Wizard cannot, or vice versa? That is, you've said that they're "VERY distinct" (emphasis in original)--in fact, so distinct that you have never seen a SINGLE thing to suggest that they're the same, instead a "wealth of counter-evidence" to that claim. What, exactly, is it that one can do which the other can't do, which doesn't get borne out on paper?</blockquote>