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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 6622842" data-attributes="member: 12037">I disagree.On Point #1, we have warlocks that have few spells but go up to 9th level, but I wouldn't call them full casters. A little out of the box thinking can easily fix whatever problem you might have there. Remember, an artificer can use any spell in the game under limited conditions. Any spell.On Point #2 and Point #3, artificers would have a combination of hammers, ranged weapons, and magic items. Lots of magic items! Also, possibly golems. The golemficer was a thing in 3e. The hammerficer was also a thing in 3e. We're talking quite a few subclasses here that would focus on different things. Maybe one artificer subclass focuses on wands and scrolls and can spam low level spells all day. Another has a golem or two that augment his combat offensiveness, another uses magically imbued weapons and armor to be a front line combatant. Another could be a healer and buffer, focusing on improving other party members power. These are all things that were possible in 3e, and I don't see why they can't be things in 5e.An artificer can do a lot. A whole lot. I think you're selling them short.</blockquote>